However, youve responded, and asked others to speak to you 
                respectfully and intelligently and you would do 
so in kind.  it 
                doesnt really fucking matter in the long run I 
guess.  I guess I 
                 was just gullable enough at times to think that 
you would post 
                  at least one or two sentences of real thoughts 
... vs. your 
                                    ficticious 
personalities.______

Yes,you were.Your whole country is.Watch what happens to the 
soldiers in Afganistan when the Northern Allaince turns on 
them.If you think you know anger now,watch what I post then!

Exactly the point I wished to extract from you. Thanks.

paraphrased:"We'll fight this war on our terms;NOT theirs."

Your missin Billy Bob as president and Im celebrating that
                  scumbags departure.
Nope.Sorry.I never voted for Clinton.But most Americans did;shows 
how little self-respect they have for themselves.Not once,but 
twice!LOL!!

ore the pacifist bitch would have us telling all terrorists
                 how wrong we are for pissing them off and how 
we'll kiss their
                    ass from here on out and feel free to attack 
us anytime 
                 convienent for you. We will leave our airports, 
nuclear plants
                  and in country military bases on the lowest 
state of alert so
                                   you can attack us at will.

NOW YOU'RE TALKIN!!!!If people would've been posting stuff like 
this when I came to fuckin board,you wouldn't know who in the 
fuck"Walter"was.

Now stay with me, just a 56k dialup here not the wireless at 
at work, you would be willing to, at least temporarily give up
a little freedom for the safety of America as a whole?

I've taken it under advisement that our dear U.K. Citizen is 
leaving his options open with regards to this board.  He doesn't 
want to break his word, but my opinion is that it would not so 
much be breaking his word than making a "new word," so to 
speak!  I've always enjoyed his posts, as I'm sure many of you 
have as well.  I forwarded to him the messages some of you left 
to him after his last post, which he apparently enjoyed and 
appreciated.

I am glad that he is continuing to email me.  I'm not online 
enough to be a go-between if any of you want to send messages, 
but I'm happy to pass on anything when I can.  That said, he 
asked me to say a few things to you on his behalf (I'm quoting, 
and hope he doesn't mind that I've changed some pronouns and 
phrasing a little so it will make more sense):

1. I forgot to mention Noah in by drawn out goodbye list!, 
please tell him from me, "Noah, though you maybe one of the 
youngest on here, nevertheless you're one of the most sensible!, 
You sir..rock!! Take care." 

2. North Carolina Gal, U.K. Citizen asks you not to be afraid to 
contribute more... he liked to hear your thoughts and 
observations.  I (allatti2d) must say I agree.

He also wishes you to know that it is good to have Everyman 
posting at this board, and he encourages you to continue.

3. "I forgot poor Ashraf!!..It wasn't intentional. ... 
U.K.Citizen sends his regards, I omitted him quite 
unintentionally, and that I for one, realize he's obviously not 
a Terrorist, and to suggest he change his handle (jokingly of 
course), to -- Mr Persistence and Perseverance." 


4. Spy, U.K. Citizen asked me (allatti2d) to keep an eye out for 
you since he hadn't seen you post for a little while when he was 
here before.  He was concerned about you.  I will tell him 
you're still here!

* * * * * * * *

Missin, I believe that there was a misunderstanding of some kind 
that happened.  I'll try to find out, if I can, and if it turns 
out to be something consequential, I'll let you know.  You and I 
both know what can happen when there are no facial expressions, 
voice intonations, or body language that go along with posts!  I 
hope it's nothing more than that.  I couldn't figure it out on 
my own, so I think it must have been a misunderstanding.  You 
remember our discussion about language differences, like 
getting "pissed" and "shagged"??  I wonder if it was something 
like that!! :)

Anyway, I have much to say regarding current events, but first I 
must finish attending to other emails and such.  I'm glad U.K. 
Citizen is still here in spirit (for now, anyway, until I really 
start applying my womanly pressure on him to the point where he 
will no longer be able to refuse!!).

Hey dude, Sorry So Late in getting back to you but you know some 
of us do really have jobs and can't sit around allday in front 
of our computers hacking away wasting precious time...Anyway I 
just wanted to set the record straight for you...NO I'M NOT THE 
REAL FATHER GUIDO!!!!....but I do impersonate him from time to 
time on a semi professional level...  )just so you know) and I 
think you are right ....A "real" priest wouldn't necessarly say 
those things... As for your posting right behind the one reply 
you made to me a week or so ago, sounded as though you thought 
not everyone should be allowed access to these sites and 
boards....Sorry if I took it personnal so close to the message 
you left for me and all.... anyway, I need my rest to go out and 
practice what I preach and help those less fortunate than myself 
all day on Saturday...God Bless You And Yours...<><...<><...F.G.+

A good point.But the problem is that"temporarily"is a word that 
hasn't come up.I can certainly understand"wartime measures",but 
nobody is saying that so far,because for one thing,this war is 
going to go on for a long time.There are people who believe that 
this will be over soon,and I can't figure out where in the world 
they got that information.Even Bush stated that this would take 
several years.America will soon tire of this war when taxes go 
up,with no hope of coming down.When we all internalize the fact 
that this is going to affect us for the next 10-20 years,it's not 
 going to be the same gung-ho project that it is right now.

I feel I caused you (U.K. Citizen ) "discomfort" on some kind 
of level or another---I didn't mean to do that sir.
I do hope you come back to this board to post---[as theESD
said]--"remember when they were gonna leave"--you were 
one of the people ( it seemed to me ) who asked them back.

Just maybe--your contribution here is worth more than your 
word. A thought at least.
In military terms----"don't leave your "post"----

NOW YOU'RE TALKIN!!!!If people would've been posting 
stuff like 
this when I came to fuckin board,you wouldn't know who in 
the 
fuck"Walter"was.
-----
So you assume we know who walter is? What IS your 
position? Laughing out loud? I guess you have to start 
somewhere. You should put your laughter on CD and sell it 
to sitcom producers for their canned comedy. You know, 
more money if you're really that hard up for it.

You are certainly an enigma, but you keep the page filling up 
with responses, so you are useful in that respect. I still really 
want to find out if you have a point other than annoying 
people. 

Quagmire...that's a funny word. I'm in a quagmire of 
incoherent letters and spaces. Its all really a blur It's hard to 
type on the keyboard when your head is ralling off. I'm not 
the best touch-typist. Maybe I should thinkof a point...I don't 
know if I have one other than being thankful that I live in a 
country where we can be free. I hope things don't change 
too much towards the case of paranoia, but I hope that there 
are many fewer terrorists at the end of this war. The natural 
order takes over as humans carry out their population 
control. Who was it? Tom Malthus - it's better for society if 
there are fewer people? I guess everyone is doing their part. 
It's sad that people choose to be so hateful towards 
humankind. I think people are pretty valuable. Well, we all 
have the potential to be valuable...or the choice to be 
valuable. Now that Christmas is coming around we have the 
disgusting consumerism raging on in full force. It's sad that 
I depend so much upon it...that all of us do. It's the force that 
leads to progress and also decay. It doesn't seem to matter 
much to very many people the reason to celebrate. What is 
better news? You're getting a new bike, or you're getting 
eternal salvation? This is why I do not like going anywhere 
before Christmas - people shopping and lusting for STUFF. 
How many others have too much stuff? I do. I have way 
more than I need and I want way more than I should want! 
This is not the way to live. I would rather see everyone have 
more than me, just to know there would be less for them to 
want. Alas, I know this is not rational because having more 
leads to wanting more. How do we wean ourselves from 
this way of life? I don't know, and most Americans think I 
should care. We depend on our economy - we know no 
other way to live. So I spew all this thought with no real 
solution, since I need a job to pay my rent so I can keep an 
apartment that holds my stuff, which I buy with the money I 
get from my job. Even giving money away feels useless 
sometimes - people still starve, not everyone gives and it's 
hard to know if people are truly being satisfied with the 
money. I think I am merely a transient, trapped inside a 
career man's life.

Shoot! so I still don't really have a point. I just talk and talk 
and still say nothing. Sorry. I want everyone to be able to live 
in peace, but I have no faith in the human race as a whole. 
People are selfish and scared and cause harm to other 
people. My main hope is that this war will benefit the many 
at the peril of the few. Sometimes it has to be that way. I 
would gladly give my life to save many more lives, but I want 
the lives saved to be lives lived. 

Ache, then war, then reconstruction, then peace. We can 
always hope for the best while expecting the worst. God 
bless.

"paraphrased:"We'll fight this war on our terms;NOT theirs."

He should have added ... "Nor on the terms of any panzy ass 
Coalition Member either"

Good good point ESD.

http://www.terrorismfiles.org/

Take a look at this shit!One of the worst things is that those 
people are doing the things they do with very little financial 
backing when compared with what we have spent so far.How many 
billions of dollars will we spend until we realize that this 
might have been the intention all along.The Taliban don't give 
a flying fuck about Afganistan,they let the whole country get 
bombed for this shit.The worst mistake I think that people are 
making is that they believe bin Laden is a stupid man.He's 
been involved in this type of activity since the late 
1970's.Clinton sat on his ass and let this shit continue for 
years.If he would have done something then,9-11-2001 would 
have been just another day.Bin Laden tried to bring the WTC 
down before,and failed.Didn't they think he'd try it again to 
save face?I'm not saying we shouldn't go after them,I'm saying 
don't bankrupt yourself in the process.
 The Taliban didn't believe that we would come after them.Osama 
bin Laden knew it all along.I'm sure he knows that after 
Afganistan,we'll have to go to Somalia,Sudan,Iraq,Yeman,and who 
knows where else after that,and that this is going to cost a lot 
of money.

Hey there, since you're still reading, I just wanted to thank 
you for your kind words to a "youngster". I don't know what 
caused you to leave, but surely most of the people in here 
appreciate everything you have to say. People like you are 
why America loves the British! I should probably get to 
sleep...I'm going to have to change my name back to 
exhausted. whew!

Walter, that last post (for whichever walter it is) had some 
genuine content! I just wanted to voice my appreciation for 
some honest thought. I don't know how long the war will go 
on and to what extent it will affect life at home, but I do think 
that most of this reaction is temporary...such as the "office of 
homeland security". Might it be just another beurocratic 
assemblage of people who have no idea what to do either? 
We'll see. I think, as far as airline security, the best they 
could have done was strengthen the cockpit doors. Beyond 
that, it's easy to take down an airplane. There are just far too 
many ways to do it if one sits down and thinks about it for a 
while. We cannot live our lives in fear. Most of what is being 
done won't really do anything to increase our security. 
However, I think wiretaps and the gaining of more 
intelligence will not only help fight terrorists, but also 
drug-smugglers and organized crime. This, in my opinion, 
is a good thing! Oh well, so taxes go up - I see so much 
taken out of my paycheck now, that I don't much care what 
else they take. If we have to pay a little to fight for our 
freedom, so be it. You do have a good point about nobody 
knowing how long is "long". I think its just so people don't go 
on thinking this is going to be another gulf war time scale. At 
this point, I think most of what needs to be done in other 
terrorist supporting countries does not involve bombing at 
all, but covert intelligence acquisition on a larger scale. I do 
think it would behoove much of the world if we could 
somehow depose Saddam Hussein. That might have to 
involve an army in the long run, but it's really not that bad as 
far as spending goes. Does it really hurt to have a good 
defence budget? I just don't know what you're so afraid of. 
I guess I just plan to live my life now and if I get blown up 
tomorrow, I will hope it is just me and not many more 
Americans, but I will have no regrets...I can only die once! :-). 

Thanks for saying something. I still don't know how much of 
what comes out of your name is you, or how many of you 
there are, but the last post was worth reading for once.

Why not try to make us forget now?

.....talk about mental masterbation ...... why have a ficticious 
dialog about ficticious beleifs/concerns/ideas?  Its usually 
more effective to dialog with someone .... if you want to do 
so "intelligently" as you have eluded, from a "position" [no not 
doggie you sick fuck].  Do you have one?  Or are you just out 
for some sniper practice. but for the record ..... UK Vomit 
brought up full well the "ilegitimate" presidency issue[s].

Interesting tho' ................

"America will soon tire of this war when taxes go 
up,with no hope of coming down"

What republican in their right mind was dreaming of them ever 
coming "down"?  That fad croaked with Reagans departure.  All 
one can hope for now is slowing growth of said evil - or 
abolishment of the IRS and a flat tax?

So you assume we know who walter is? What IS your 
                     position? Laughing out loud? I guess you 
have to start 
                   somewhere. You should put your laughter on CD 
and sell it 
                     to sitcom producers for their canned comedy. 
You know, 
                        more money if you're really that hard up 
for it.


What I meant by that is that there would not have ever been posts 
by"Walter"on the board.As far as money goes,most of us can use 
more of that,and we are in a capitalist country,after all.Are you 
also writing to the people selling flags,pins,and posters, 
telling them what heartless bastards they are?

...And to all a good night.

I don't know, but a billion dollars buys a pretty interesting 
show if nothing else...

I'm addicted. I've no recourse. But I certainly do not worship 
money like they tell me to do. Seeing all the infomercials 
about special stick 'em to your car, fake tattoo, whatever 
flags, has made me rather annoyed. People profiting from 
suffering. Isn't that always the way it goes... I'm just not that 
concerned about taxes. There are many other countries that 
pay way more taxes, I mean wayyy more taxes than we do. I 
did not mean to call you a heartless bastard for trying to sell 
your memoir CD or anything - just for a lot of the things 
you've said. It's too late to sleep now. dang! I'm digging my 
own grave! Good night.

Why have a ficticious 
                  dialog about ficticious beleifs/concerns/ideas? 
 

 OK,I get your point.But then,why are you responding?
A flat tax? --Your best idea yet,other tham telling me to fuck 
off!LOL!!!
 Making criminals and deadbeats pay taxes would come a long way 
towards bringing the national debt down.

Allatti2d:
Just wanna say thanx for your support, and broad-mindedness, for 
being there, in  my absence, and for hanging in there to get UK 
Citizen back.. Tell him, he's fine, and I answered his question 
regarding Walter, but I havent received his reponse thereto. 
Tell hi that Walter didnt comment either, which goes to prove 
that my opinion about him is correct, or so I believe..

Beagle-Eye:
You'd previously stated to John, that I've got you on my ignore 
list.. Correction. I've got you on the "Cowards" list.. unless 
you wanna gimmi ur number.. LOL!!!
Ps: About your comments on the other board.. Like I said, just 
gimmi ur number..LOLOLOL!!!!

COWARD!! ;)

Peace..

U.K. Citizen/ Walter:
                Take it easy dude..I haven't switched on my pc 
ever since I made 
                  my last post, 2 days back. And about your 
question regarding 
                 Walter.. I have a very different opinion that 
many of you you 
                  would possibly disagree to.. I believe that had 
the US Govt 
                asked for volunteers to go over to Afghanistan, 
Walter would out-
                   run many people on this board, to get to the 
front lines.. 
                           Walter, if I am wrong, please correct 
me..

I understand the statement of course,but I could not comment 
without understanding the context of previous statements,which 
were made in a chat room,e-mails,or another board.

Hi, my cable ISP went bankrupt, so I'll probably not come on very 
often anymore. Just wanted to say I'll miss the constant 
conversation and solidarity! God bless you guy

oops, God bless you guyS. Okay well I don't know what else to say 
except I have enjoyed good conversation with most of you and have 
enjoyed your conversations with one another. I'll stop in and 
read when I get a chance, but since it takes a long time to load, 
I won't really be able to chat like before. Hopefully, my 
internet gets reconnected and I can come back often. Peace! enjoy 
your we

You bet bin lipshit loves America spending money on war, he
doesnt have the resources to compare so he uses what he's got,
a whole religion full of wackos who will do anything without
thought as long as its in the name of Allah.
 Bush said this war is not about religion (of course he has to 
say that) but I dont, and like to see a study on crazy terrorist
acts commited in the name of each religion, and I bet on a 
landslide victory for Islam. Hands fucking down number 1 with
a bullit! But thats like saying in America, African Americans
commit 80 percent of the crimes. Your free to say it, but 
shouldnt, so as not to offend the 20 precent.

 Bin Lucky is running out of places to go, we've all seen the
most likely countries, all of which are somewhat more advanced
than Afghanistan. Now those countries have to ask themselves,
do we want to risk all for this one asshole. Do we want to face
Bin Luckys rath or Americas rath. Seems like a easy question.
 And how about poor Bin Lucifer, all the teeshirts, bumper
stickers, and other stuff with his towel capped, sand blasted,
gigantic lipped face on it, 20 percent going to Americas relief
efforts and not to his terrorist efforts. If he was so fucking
shrewd and smart he should of had some laywers in America
covering his ass on that ahead of time.
 Personally I hope Iraq takes his sorry ass in, and we rain hell
down on Saddam & sons. Those good citizens of Arock were given
the oportunity to take control of their goverment during and
after the Gulf War and chose not to do it. There are alot of
terrorist connections with Arock. Why would some rinky dink
college boy get meetings with high level Arocky officials. Im
sure much information is being held back for right now. Arock
made its bed, now they can die in it. I hope we make Isreal
green with envy, on the amount of death and destruction we
bring to Arock, if it comes to that. First bomb Sodamns' sons
precious Zoo so the Sodamns' family is homeless so they have to
eat their beutiful Falcons or just blow them motherfuckers up
too.
 A difference betwee Arock and America:
 Sodamns' son kills a man dating his exwife after being divorced
for 2 years and gets a slap on the back and hearty handshake
from daddy dumbest.
 Bushs' daughter gets nabbed trying to buy booze while underage
and gets dragged into court and Bush says, did the crime, do
the time. Well actually probation.
 Character, some got it some dont.

to yhe northern alliance,my question to you,are you any 
different then the taliban? you are doing the same as the 
taliban did.you have no respect for ISLAM,no respect for HUMAN 
LIFE,no respect for the DEAD,and you call your killings in the 
name of ALLAH and ISLAM,thats in plain english BULLSHIT ,it for 
money only.you should have learnt from the mistakes that the 
taliban made in dealing with its people,now you are doing the 
same.i am a good muslim,i know what is right and what is 
wrong,do you?no i dont think so ,i can forsee the future of the 
northern alliance will be as bad as the taliban,no way that 
afghanistan will be a peacefull muslim nation,muslin tribe 
killing muslim tribe,shame on you, i declaire that that the 
afgan people are unislamic and unhuman not to be trusted,and 
never will become a nation of good standing,and no nation should 
subport or have any trust in you,i seen the taliban rise and 
fall now i see the northern alliance rise and will see it fall 
the same way as the taliban fell,YOUR NEXT,  ali massey 

"Making criminals and deadbeats pay taxes would come a long way 
towards bringing the national debt down."

Starting with democartic senator Ted "where'd I put that mask 
and snorkel" Kennedy and his inbred family of theives.

Ohhhhh Nooooooo!  NOT AssRashf's Cowards list!!!!  Please 
anything but that!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Told you once before ... U wanna teach me a lesson big boy ..... 
u know where to bring it.

What if America is my religion?  You've been slandering my 
prophet George W. Bush .....  What if Capitalism is my God?  
Your bro's have blown the fuck out of my Mosque .....

As far as I can tell punk bitch - your Islam shit is no 
more "righteous" or valuable than the above.

I still say the best way to deal with your asses is to point a 
couple ICBM's at Mecca and the other dung heap you prize, and 
the next terror attack - those fucking things are history.

Bizmallah asshole

12/01/2001 : "Tory leader backs Bush over attack on 
Saddam" 

IAIN DUNCAN SMITH urged President Bush to make public 
America's evidence of Iraqi involvement in terrorism as a 
precursor to taking further political and even military action 
against Saddam Hussein.
The Conservative leader yesterday said it was not 
necessary to link Iraq to al-Qa'eda to justify moving against 
Saddam as he concluded a visit that gave him extraordinary 
access to Mr Bush and his most trusted advisers. During a 
45-minute conversation with the President, Mr Duncan 
Smith offered his support for firm action against the Iraqis. 
Asked if he thought America had a "batting order" for dealing 
with states that support terrorism after it has dealt with the 
al-Qa'eda network in Afghanistan, he said: "Yes I do, but I 
don't want to say more than that."
He stressed that Mr Bush and the senior members of his 
cabinet with whom he had talked in the past 24 hours had 
all been resolute in dealing with terrorism wherever it was 
found in the world.
"There is a process to this and they see it as an opportunity 
to stop the growing network of terror around the world," he 
told reporters outside the White House. Mr Duncan Smith 
was the first member of an opposition party from outside 
America to have a personal meeting with the President.
Mr Bush "dropped by" when the Conservative leader was 
talking to Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, in 
what was thought to have been a carefully choreographed 
encounter designed not to offend Downing Street, and 
offered Mr Duncan Smith a formal meeting in the Oval Office.
He said he had discussed with Mr Bush a wide range of 
issues related to the war on terrorism, including the 
dangers posed by weapons of mass destruction. "They are 
at the pinnacle of this whole process of terrorism," he said, 
adding that America was determined to deal with the 
problem wherever it could be found.
He said military and other action taken by America had 
already foiled other planned terrorist attacks and that 
al-Qa'eda had cells in other countries that had been 
prepared to launch further atrocities.
Asked about whether Iraq would be next on any American 
list, Mr Duncan Smith said it was certainly the case that 
Saddam had been involved in terrorist activities in the past 
and that pressure must be placed on him to conform with 
United Nations resolutions and his own agreements to 
allow in weapons inspectors.
But he said he had urged Mr Bush to trust the public with 
classified information linking Iraq to previous terrorist 
activities. He said: "I asked everyone I met to get all that 
evidence out into the public domain. 
"I mean, how many Britons know that the first bombing of 
the World Trade Centre in 1993 was the work of the Iraqis? 
Not many, I should think. The point is that you don't have to 
link everything back to al-Qa'eda. 
"If the public gets to know quite a lot of what the American 
administration knows, they will realise that the problem lies 
outside just Afghanistan." While in Washington, Mr Duncan 
Smith repeated his strong support for Mr Bush's missile 
defence plans.
That position and the generous access that the Tory leader 
enjoyed to the President, Dick Cheney, the vice president, 
Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, and other 
ministers, will not be welcomed in Downing Street.
Tony Blair has come under pressure from his own MPs not 
to support America over missile defence and the presence 
of a Tory leader at the side of a conservative Republican 
president will serve as a reminder that the Prime Minister 
and Mr Bush are far from being natural allies.

By Ben Fenton in Washington and Andy McSmith
Source:News.telegraph.co.uk 

Can someone help me?  I need some editorializing of the E.S.D.'s 
last article I just read (don't know if he's posted again since 
then, until after I hit "post message") that is entitled, 
<<12/01/2001 : "Tory leader backs Bush over attack on Saddam">>

I'm especially concerned about the public pressure on Tony Blair 
with regard to support of the U.S.  Can someone analyze this 
article or dispute it or explain it or something so I have more 
perspective on that article?  Please forgive me for my 
ignorance, but I don't know what a Tory leader is or whom he 
represents, and how that affects international diplomacy.  Thank 
you, if you are able to help.

Noah, please email me if you are unable to come to this board to 
post.  You will definitely be missed around here until you get 
your server problem resolved!  If checking your email is easier 
and less time-consuming for you, I'd appreciate a nice long note 
from you.  If it proves to be a lot quicker, I can even post 
thoughts you send me or provide you with emailed snippets of the 
conversations here.  Please let me know.  Thanks! :)

"You call your killings in the name of Allah and Islam, thats
in plain English, BULLSHIT".
 I cant fucking believe it, a Muslim who thinks for himself.
 How often do you hear the words Islam,Muslim or Allah
mentioned in any news, not connected to Terrorism, Suicide
bombings or needless death? Answer: almost never.
 I keep hearing about what a peacefull religion this is, and
most people outside the religion sure as hell dont see it
that way. Actions speak louder than words. Anyway, Islam has
some serious rebuilding to do on its reputation. My mind has
probably been hijacked by the Jewish owned media though.
 I will give Isreal credit, they sure keep the Palisinian/Isreali
kill ratio to the plus by a large margin. Also they at least
attack legitamate targets, I've never heard of a Isreali soldier
straping on a bomb, getting into a bus full of Palisinians
and going BOOM. They retaliate against PLO offices, right to
the scource. I sure get the impression Arafart has no control
over anything. He needs to get the fucking tablecloth of his
head and get the hell out of the way, he's a statue, a has been. 

Your knowledge is needed in a post above, Sir. Also, is it
called batting in cricket?

Hey om/cf, are you coming to our party?  Justice USA is tending 
the barbecue... what are you gonna bring? :)

I love reading your posts, by the way, even when I don't agree 
with you, but especially when I do.

this might help

http://www.toryclubsuk.net/
==========================

Tory-English political party. Also known as the Conservative 
Party.

Thank you for that link, E.S.D. (I might just start calling you 
ED... easier to type! lol)  Do you have your own commentary or 
editorial you'd like to add to that article?  What is your 
opinion?

Thanks again!

Tory-English political party.The name was used derogatorily
for the supporters of the duke of York.After 1688 the Tories 
comprised mainly country gentry who were closely 
indentified with the church of England.Reaching their zenith
under Queen Anne, with Robert Harley and Henery St. John 
as leaders.
They lost strength after the passing of the Reform Bill of 
1832.

At this time we are not making commentaries as such.
We are more or less watching(and sharing) information
that concerns what the next step in the war on terror might 
be and what elements come into play.

We feel Iraq will be very difficult compared to Afghanistan.

You are most appreciated for your knowledge and sharing of what 
you find.  Definitely better than any newspaper I've ever read.  
I'm glad you shared your intentions.

And regarding Iraq, I agree with (the collective) you.

But thats like saying in America, African Americans
                   commit 80 percent of the crimes. Your free to 
say it, but 
                          shouldnt, so as not to offend the 20 
precent.________________________________________________________

 Yes,everybody is so concerned here in America lately with 
offending people.So much that offending someone is in itself a 
crime.But most of the crimes that you're talking about are the 
primitive,violent crimes.These are mainly done by the poor,and 
many folks believe that if we try  to help them"better" 
themselves,these crimes will go away.Wrong.There will always be 
poor people,some because they are lazy,some because they are 
stupid,and some for other reasons.
 But in the last 20 years or so,there has developed a line 
between crime,and illegal.
 For example,by law,you are allowed to make 1 backup copy of any 
software you purchase.Just in case something happens to the 
original.The software companies have placed copyguards on their 
software to make you unable to do this.That,by law,is a criminal 
act.But not viewed as such.It's viewed as illegal,but not a 
crime.
 And if you download mp3's from the net,as many of us do,there 
will be more surprises down the line in that area.As of next 
year,new CD's will be encoded with a guard that will make them 
unable to be played in your computer.THEY will decide for you 
where you can play them.The RIAA has also tried to pass a 
bill(included in Bush's terrorist bill as a rider)that would 
remove any liability from them for putting a virus on CD's that 
would destroy your hard drive/computer itself,if you tried to 
copy a CD(This was later stricken from the bill).What did they 
THINK we were going to do with CD recorders?
 The point that I'm trying to make here is that big business is 
committing more crimes than anybody,but they will not be 
prosecuted,or stopped from continuing.Let you or I use these same 
tactics,and watch what happens to us.
 I would much rather have someone mess up my CD's than shoot 
me,but when they're reporting on statistics,lets get real;crime 
is crime.

Thanx for the invite. I'll bring baked beans and Budwieser.
And maybe a left wing, anti American liberal dragged behind
my truck to offer up as a sacrafice to Allah, ha ha.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/666055.asp

Dec. 1    Abdul Hamid is tall, thin and barefoot in a filthy 
black tunic. A prisoner of the Northern Alliance, he sits with 
his elbows bound behind his back with a strip of cloth, his 
right leg and left foot bandaged for gunshot wounds. Hamid s 
face is almost entirely covered in dirt and black soot, but it 
is quickly apparent that he is not just another beaten and 
frightened Taliban warrior. Abdul Hamid, age 20, is an American. 
He is not a naturalized citizen or disaffected Arab-American 
youth rebelling against Western culture. He is a white, educated-
sounding, apparently middle-class American, a convert to Islam 
who came to Afghanistan six months ago to help the Taliban build 
a  true Islamic state. 

Damn, talk about a bad career move!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39891,00.html

The Muslim revolt that never came
Claude Salhani 

The great Muslim upset, or uprising, that so many political 
pundits predicted in the days and weeks following the start of 
the Afghan campaign never materialized.

And despite all those dire warnings about continuing the war 
during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan the bombing has failed 
to bring down the wrath of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims.

In fact, a report by Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek 
International, quoted in the November 20 edition of the 
Washington Post, clearly shows that support for Osama Bin Laden, 
Al Qaeda and the Taliban was minimal, at best, when Taliban 
supremo Mullah Muhammad Omar was calling for mass protests 
against American bombing.

Consider the following from Zakaria's column, which quotes a 
study by Martin Indyk, former assistant secretary of state for 
Near Eastern affairs, now a senior fellow at the Brookings 
Institution, and who has tracked the number of demonstrations in 
21 Arab countries from Morocco to Dubai, since the start of the 
war:

"Here's how many anti-American demonstrations have taken place. 
Week one: nine; week two: three; week three: one; week four: 
two; week five: zero; last week: one."

The reasons are that, in effect, most Arab and Muslim 
governments   with the possible exception of Sudan - would very 
much like to see the Islamist threat disappear, just as much as 
the West would, because it threatens their security as much as 
anyone else's.

The reason much of the Islamic and Arab world remained so quiet 
in the weeks of intense bombing of Taliban and Al Qaeda 
positions in Afghanistan is because not only the leadership, but 
the vast majority of the people in those countries realize that 
the extremism of the Taliban is not for them, no matter how 
corrupt their own leaders might be. 

As Zakaria points out, "The real lesson of the Iranian 
revolution is that it did not spread anywhere and brought misery 
to its people."

The reaction of the people of Kabul and other cities liberated 
from five harsh years of Taliban dogma speaks for itself. 
Crowds, hungry for culture and information, converged in their 
hundreds on cinemas in Kabul to see whatever film they could, 
television went back on the air just days after the Taliban 
departed the capital, and electrical stores have done a brisk 
business. 

Barbershops catered to droves of customers eager to shed the 
Taliban-enforced beards, and women emerged to see the sunlight 
again from beneath their enshrouding burkhas.

The speed with which the people of Afghanistan turned against 
the Taliban speaks volumes. While Bin Laden and his followers 
wanted to turn this conflict into one of Islam versus the world, 
they have clearly failed to do so. The world is not out to get 
Islam, and neither are the majority of the world's Muslims out 
to get non-believers of the faith. Bin Laden and his followers 
had hoped to spark a revolution based on religion, but the spark 
did not take.

Expert: Saddam would attack Israel with non-conventional 
weapons
By David Rudge

HAIFA (November 30) - Iraqi President Saddam Hussein 
would almost certainly give the order to hit Israel with 
non-conventional weapons if he felt his regime was in 
imminent danger of destruction in the event of a major US 
attack, according to Iraqi affairs expert Prof. Amatzia Baram. 
Baram, of the University of Haifa, acted as an adviser on Iraq 
to senior officials of the American administration while on 
sabbatical in the US two years ago. 
He stressed, however, that the threat of an Iraqi retaliation 
could be reduced to virtually zero if the US and Israel were to 
adopt a series of measures, which he declined to discuss 
for security reasons. 
According to Baram, director of the university's Jewish-Arab 
Center and the Gustav-Heinemann Institute of Middle 
Eastern Studies, Iraq is believed to have between six to 50 
ballistic missiles and a few mobile launchers. 
There is also the possibility of Saddam using drones or 
suicide pilots as a means for conveying some of his 
arsenal of biological and chemical agents and even nuclear 
waste to Israel's shores. 
Baram noted that the radioactive material would be 
extremely difficult to load into bombs or missile warheads, 
and would be as dangerous to the attackers as to the 
people in the intended target area. 
It was more likely, therefore, that Saddam would try to use 
his remaining missiles fitted with biological or chemical 
agents - even though these have never been field-tested 
properly and could malfunction by burning out when 
re-entering the atmosphere or become unbalanced and go 
out of control. 
Baram revealed that Saddam had given prior orders to his 
missile commanders to launch Scuds with 
non-conventional warheads at Israel during the 1991 Gulf 
War in the event that Baghdad was surrounded and about to 
fall, and communications with himself were cut. 
The orders - never published or even publicly acknowledged 
- were gleaned by members of the UN's special 
commission to supervise Iraqi weapons of mass 
destruction from interviews with leading Iraqi officials. 
"I believe the reports of these orders, based on what we 
already know, my own studies, and interviews and from 
overt sources, to be very solid and this gives us further data 
about Saddam and his way of thinking," said Baram, who 
expounded on the issue in a recently published article in the 
highly-respected US magazine, the Monterey-based 
Non-Proliferation Review. 
On this basis, Baram is convinced that Saddam would be 
prepared to sacrifice Baghdad and all its citizens, believing 
that a non-conventional strike on Israel would result in a 
nuclear retaliation by the latter on Iraq's capital. 
"This is the Iraqi perception of Israel's likely response to a 
non-conventional Iraqi attack on its territory, although 
nobody can know for certain how Israel would react. 
"Saddam's theory, apparently, is that such massive 
destruction and loss of life certainly in Iraq and possibly in 
Israel would put an end to any war being waged against 
Iraq by America and its allies. 
"He seems to believe that he personally and most of his 
elite would be able to survive the devastation by remaining 
in their underground nuclear shelters scattered all around 
Iraq, and that after the dust and fallout settled would emerge 
and declare victory. 
"It should be stressed, however, that Saddam is not a 
suicidal type and would only give the orders for 
non-conventional attacks on Israel if he felt his regime was 
in imminent danger of collapse either from non-stop US 
bombing attacks or a massive offensive involving also the 
use of ground forces," Baram said. 
Baram maintained it was less likely that Saddam would 
order the launch of conventional missiles against Israel in 
the event of a limited US assault because this would 
expose the continued existence of such weapons, and give 
America a powerful diplomatic tool to press for indefinite 
sanctions against Iraq and the need for renewed UN 
supervision. 
He also noted that Israel a decade after the Gulf War is in a 
much better position to protect itself against missile attacks 
of any kind through the Arrow and vastly improved Patriot 
anti-missile systems. 
"Given this and other measures that could and should be 
adopted, including applying psychological pressure on the 
Iraqi army and particularly missile unit commanders, there 
is an excellent prospect of averting the Armageddon 
scenario completely," said Baram. 
"Certainly, in my opinion, the dangers do not constitute 
sufficient reasons for the US to refrain from trying to topple a 
regime that poses such a danger to stability in the region 
and the world in general. On the contrary, it seems to me 
that the US will have to eliminate Saddam's regime while 
using the measures and means which I cannot elaborate 
upon to minimize the risks," Baram added.

Source: The Jerusalem Post:

===================================
OnLineNews
*    *    *    *
Three killed in bus suicide bombing
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/30/News/News.3908
5.html

==================================

Soldier slain, second wounded in shooting
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/30/News/News.3908
6.html

==================================

Poll: Palestinian state a threat to Israel
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/30/News/News.3908
7.html

==================================

Terrorists decline official PA protection, fearing betrayal
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/30/News/News.3909
2.html

==============================================

we wanted to thank you for that.
we should have done so earlier.

This article has been extracted from various sources and it is 
for information purposes only. It does not necessarily represent 
the views of Islaamic Network.
The Media has reported over the last couple of days the death of 
the first US soldier in combat. Since the Americans have now 
been operating in Afghanistan for over two months now, this 
official figure of one killed in action can mean one of two 
things: firstly that no American soldiers are on the ground in 
Afghanistan or secondly, that the US Government is attempting to 
cover up its losses in order not to panic the American public. 
To date, the number of US troops killed since the war began is 
around 500. This equates to approximately ten or so casualties 
per day, which is realisticin comparison to what the Russians 
suffered when they invaded Chechnya for the second time, in 
1999. Details are given below, from authentic sources based 
inside Afghanistan. 

72 troops were killed in the first botched raid near Kandahar. 
Their corpses remain in the mortuaries at Jacobabad Airbase, 
Pakistan.

88 troops have been killed in operations between Spin Boldak and 
Kandahar 

50 troops were killed in operations near Kabul Airport 

120 troops were killed in and around Kunduz 

8 troops were killed in other operations inside Kabul itself, 
before the Taliban withdrew from it

40 troops were killed in battles around the Badaghis mountains 

95 troops were killed in a raid on Zabul Hotel, near the Iranian 
border 

In other developments around the country, Kunar Province remains 
in control of Commander Jandad, who is pro-Taliban. Earlier this 
week, a number of Taliban Mujahideen were killed during US 
airstrikes close to the town of Takhta Pul on the highway 
between Kandahar and the Pakistani border. Another 160 of them 
who were captured, were executed in cold blood whilst being 
filmed by US troops. Obviously, the World does not raise an 
eyebrow at these 'human rights violations'. By Thursday, the 
Taliban had recaptured Takhta Pul after fierce hand-to-hand 
fighting. In Bamiyan province, a convoy of the Shiite Hizb-i-
Wahdah faction was ambushed and destroyed by the Taliban. It has 
been confirmed that Turkish military advisors are assisting 
General Dostum. 

Rumours regarding the killing of Al-Qaida spokesman Sheikh 
Sulaiman Abu Ghaith are false. Likewise there has been no 
fighting between Foreign Mujahideen and the Taliban, they are 
together and united in their stand against the Crusaders and 
their allies. The Taliban have confirmed that their withdrawal 
from the cities was purely strategic in order to protect the 
cities and the civilians from American bombardment. Dispelling 
rumours about the huge, number of Mujahideen who have been 
captured by the Crusaders and their allies, then it has been 
confirmed that this number does not exceed seven. Otherwise, the 
morale of the Taliban and the Foreign Mujahideen remains very 
high and they are relying on Allah firstly, then the 
supplications of their Muslim brothers and sisters around the 
World to make supplications for them, by name. 

The Arabs from amongst the ranks of the Foreign Mujahideen have 
confirmed that they hold in their possession a significant 
number of American and British corpses and prisoners. As 
mentioned earlier, the American and British Governments do not 
publicise this news for fear of a backlash in their public 
opinion and for fear of decreasing the morale of their soldiers 
who are still alive. There is a video cassette showing these 
captured American prisoners together with their names and ranks. 

Kandahar Airport and Kandahar city remain firmly in control of 
the Taliban. American bombardment in and around Kandahar these 
last few days has killed over 500 civilians this week alone, in 
up to 150 daily sorties. Villages to the South and the West of 
Kandahar have been completely flattened and razed to the ground, 
killing even livestock. The Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad 
Umar, has vowed to fight the Americans to the last breath as the 
war enters a different phase. 

Under orders from its American masters, the Pakistani Government 
has allowed Pushtun gangsters, drug barons and murderers to 
enter Afghanistan with weapons and attack Taliban positions in 
and around the Pak-Afghan border town of Spin Boldak. Fighting 
is still continuing there. 

Northern Alliance Foreign Minister Dr Abdullah Abdullah informed 
the Americans that Alliance forces are not able to attack 
Taliban positions in the South of the country yet. The Americans 
therefore decided to seek assistance from Iran, who opened its 
borders and airspace to American troops to enter Helmand 
Province. The Iranian armed forces accepted and US paratroopers 
descended in the Koumailk area of Helmand Province near the 
River Douistan. A group of Mujahideen from Baluchistan besieged 
them, killing 18 in the ensuing combat and wounding 46. The 
United States Air Force planes then took off from Pakistani 
airbases (where most of the combat sorties have taken off 
despite denials by the Pakistani Government) and attacked the 
Mujahideen, killing their commander and wounding and killing 40 
more of the Mujahideen. Following this battle, the Americans 
decided to withdraw from the area altogether. The Mujahideen 
remain in control of Helmand Province. 

The Muslims are urged not to despair at the state of affairs in 
Afghanistan because Allah's will changes the tides of war. Some 
days are victorious for the Mujahideen, whilst other days are 
defeats. In the Soviet-Afghan war, the Soviets had captured all 
of Afghanistan in a matter of hours, but they left ten years 
later, humiliated and defeated. In the same way they invaded 
Chechnya but the Mujahideen there continue to kill dozens of 
them every day. Even if the Americans use weapons of mass 
destruction, which they already have in Kunduz, and the Taliban 
were to withdraw from every city in Afghanistan, the war would 
not be lost. A war is not lost by the outcome of a single 
battle. The Mujahideen will continue to fight with the weapons 
in their hands and their faith in Allah, for Victory comes only 
from Him. Allah always helps His righteous servants, even if 
after a while. Allah is certainly able to assist those who fight 
for Him as He is the Powerful, the Strong. 

The Muslims are encouraged once more to put their foreheads on 
the ground and weep their tears begging Allah to give victory to 
the Mujahideen and destroy the oppressors and tyrants who kill 
without pity, women, children, the old, the sick and even 
animals. This importance of this point cannot be stressed 
enough. 

02 December 2001 : Over 50 American Soldiers killed during 
Botched Attack on Helmand




This article has been extracted from various sources and it is 
for information purposes only. It does not necessarily represent 
the views of Islaamic Network.
A large number of American troops backed by tanks and 
helicopters, launched a new attack on the 'strategic' city of 
Helmand. The Mujahideen awaited them patiently, and at the right 
time ambushed them using heavy artillery, BM rockets and ZSU-23 
Anti-Aircraft guns in the area of Koumalk, south of Helmand, 
close to the River Douistan. 

As a result of this offensive by the Mujahideen, around 80 US 
soldiers were killed, three tanks belonging to the United 
Nations (but used by the US) were destroyed, and two American 
Apache AH-64 helicopters were brought down, killing all 
occupants. All praise be to Allah who grants these victories. 

A number of Mujahideen were injured during the attack, but were 
taken back to their base for treatment, along with significant 
hi-tech spoils of war. The whole operation was filmed and the 
video will be soon be made public insha-Allah to prove to the 
whole world, and especially the American people, the truth about 
the Afghan Jihad and the lies spread by the US government. 

In a separate incident Saturday, the Mujahideen shot down an 
American warplane near Kandahar airport. As expected, this news 
was denied by the Pentagon, since American soldiers are never 
killed in combat, nor do they ever lose any aeroplanes nor 
equipment nor vehicles. The thousands of American soldiers 
killed in Vietnam was a myth. 

The CIA continues to assist drug barons and highwaymen in order 
to cause disorder and try to destabilise the Taliban between 
Spin Boldak and Kandahar. The Taliban launched an attack around 
the mountain areas of Spin Boldak to crush this US-supported 
militia. Following the attack, approximately 100 of the enemy 
(composed mainly of drug dealers and highway robbers) as well as 
17 of their US military 'advisors' were killed. These advisors 
organize the aerial cover and plan the militia's ground 
operations. 

The Taliban reconfirm that the town of Spin Boldak is still 
under their control and that all is well. The Taliban has also 
set up special patrols to pursue and engage the remaining 
militia who were fleeing to the mountains in the east. 

Since the arrival of the Northern Alliance in areas previously 
held by the Taliban, poppy cultivation has been started again on 
a very large scale (confirmed by the UN) with the encouragement 
of Americans. This higlights the hypocrisy and lies against the 
Taliban, who were accused by the West, of still cultivating and 
profiting from the Poppy farms. However, the reality is that the 
Taliban had completely banned the cultivation of the crop, 
thereby reducing the country's production by nearly 95%, and it 
was America's beloved Northern Alliance who were responsible for 
all the remaining production and trade. This was even confirmed 
by the United Nations. 

The Taliban reported that they had carried out a lightening 
attack against the American forces in Shandan, which resulted in 
the deaths of well over 100 American soldiers. More details on 
this will be provided soon insha-Allah. 


Human Rights 'Respected' in Mazar-i-Sharif 
In the presence and auspices of American soldiers, the 
protectors of human rights, General Dostum walked over the 
bodies of the martyred Mujahideen in the prison fortress of Qala-
e-Jhangi, while his soldiers drove tanks over their bodies to 
make sure they were dead. It is reported that an incredible 
number of rapes by his soldiers took place, also under the 
observation of US troops. These uncivilized soldiers were also 
seen by the whole world beating and shooting prisoners, kicking 
the bodies of the Mujahideen and even extracting the golden 
fillings from the mouths of Taliban who were martyred. 
The soldiers of the Northern Alliance captured around 10 wives 
of the Foreign Mujahideen and raped them several times before 
making them slaves. These women were from families who had tried 
to cross over to Pakistan, but were prevented at the border by 
Pakistani troops under the orders of the US Government. 

America and the whole world are accessories to these 
mutilations, massacres, rapes and mass injustices and owing to 
the fact that they are committed under their own eyes and 
protection. May Allah help all those who are oppressed. 

The Mujahideen inform the people that they are well and remind 
the Muslims not to be deceived or depressed by reading the lies 
of the Western media. They ask all viewers to pass on the true 
information of the situation that they receive from the 
Internet, not to forget them and the people of Afghanistan in 
their duas and increase the duas against those who cause 
corruption and oppression on the Earth. 

27 November 2001 : US Military Walks Right Into Taliban Trap 
with Ground Invasion


Praise be to Allah, the US Military has walked straight into the 
trap set for it by 'retreating' Taliban forces by landing near 
Kandahar in preparation for major ground operations in much the 
same way as its predecessor, the Soviet Union, did twenty years 
ago. The arrogance of the US Government has led it to think that 
the war is in its closing stages and only 'mopping up' 
operations remain. On the contrary, from the Mujahideen point of 
view, the war has just begun. Coming days and weeks will prove 
the miscalculation of this move by the Americans. The Muslims 
are encouraged to increase in their supplications in the month 
of Ramadan, for the rout of the Crusader forces in Kandahar. 
Until now, many Muslims have, unfortunately, trusted Western 
media reports that the Mujahideen have been defeated. However, 
they should ask themselves where are all the thousands of 
Mujahideen who have not yet entered the battle arena on a large 
scale? And where are the thousands of Taliban soldiers who 
strategically withdrew from Kabul and surrounding areas? The US 
soldiers on the ground will soon find out where they are with 
the Help of Allah. 

Mujahideen forces in Kunduz yesterday Sunday decided to vacate 
the centre of Kunduz and move to surrounding mountainous areas. 
In areas around Kunduz, there were still heavy battles in 
progress as Mujahideen guerilla units ambushed Northern Alliance 
patrols. 

Fierce fighting continues around Maidan Shahr against Alliance 
troops. The Alliance is said to have taken heavy casualties. 

In an organised martyrdom operation on Sunday evening, 500 or so 
Taliban fighters imprisoned in Mazar-i-Sharif launched an 
operation against Alliance troops loyal to General Dostum and 
approximately 100 Special Forces troops that were assisting in 
interrogating the prisoners. Fighting continued into Monday 
night with heavy casualties on both sides. Approximately 30 US 
Special Forces troops were said to have been killed and dozens 
more injured. US helicopters could be seen evacuating their dead 
and injured. 

Elsewhere in the Helmand province of Southern Afghanistan, three 
units of British SAS Special Forces were ambushed by Taliban 
forces. In the ensuing firefight, nine soldiers were killed, 
eight injured (four critically) and two soldiers were captured 
together with weapons, sophisticated night-vision devices and 
other tracking instruments

the above posts are taken from web sites not supported by US 
media.  Just thought you need to see that there's a world out 
there.  Read and enjoy...

I worry about the children of Allah who believe this:

"The Muslims are urged not to despair at the state of affairs in 
Afghanistan because Allah's will changes the tides of war. Some 
days are victorious for the Mujahideen, whilst other days are 
defeats."

Allah's will changes the tides of war.... it seems as though 
according to the authors of that article, Allah plays games with 
his children, not caring who suffers or dies.  Is this Allah the 
one from the Koran, or is it the one that some people have built 
up in their minds?  Some Christians believe that God wants all 
non-Christians to suffer and perish.  Who are we to know the 
mind of God (or Allah)?  I say that people who believe this way 
are not true to their God, that they are representing Allah/God 
in a most distasteful way and completely misrepresenting Him.

I am sad for these people, as it appears they will never know 
the pleasures of heaven.

SATURDAY DECEMBER 01 2001
Churches step up mosque protest
FROM CHRISTOPHER WALKER IN JERUSALEM

CHRISTIAN leaders in Israel have accused its Government 
of treating  with virtual contempt  worldwide Church protests 
at plans to build a mosque near the spot where tradition 
says the Virgin Mary was told that she was to be the mother 
of Christ. 

In a new protest, heads of the 13 main Christian churches 
in Jerusalem urged Israel to revoke a decision to let the 
mosque be built near the Roman Catholic Basilica of the 
Annunciation in Nazareth, Israel s largest Arab town. 

The plan has already led to scuffles between Muslim and 
Christian Arabs and the Vatican has said that it would  put 
this holy place in a state of permanent siege . 

The joint statement said that building a mosque on public 
and Islamic trust land in the town was incomprehensible. 

Among the signatories were the Greek Orthodox, Armenian 
and Latin patriarchs, Franciscan Custos of the Holy Land 
and Anglican and Lutheran bishops. They said that the plan 
had been used  by certain Israeli political circles  to sow 
divisions between Muslims and Christians, and among 
Muslims themselves. 

* Israeli forces surrounded the West Bank city of Jenin early 
today, 24 hours after a Palestinian suicide bomber from a 
nearby village killed three passengers on an Israeli bus.
Source: Times Newspapers Ltd.

=====================================
OnLineNews:

War On Terror: go to ... 
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/section/0,,2001310020,00.html

=====================================

My first instinct is to consider all of this to be propaganda, 
designed to keep morale up in the insane extremist community.  
But I actually wouldn't be surprised if there might be more 
Americans killed than just one; however, reporters are all over 
the place in Afghanistan (can you spell CNN?), and unlike some 
other countries, our reporters are allowed to report whatever 
the hell they feel like reporting.  Mostly that is what they see 
and hear around them that they feel would give them good ratings 
in America and worldwide.  Americans being killed would be top 
news headlines around here.  I don't believe that any government 
could squelch that information.

So logic leads me to believe that this is just propaganda, 
untrue or at the minimum, extremely exaggerated.  I'm glad you 
posted this, however, because there are probably a ton of people 
who believe this report.  We need to keep in mind what kind of 
misinformation is being propagated amongst the ignorant or the 
controlled public in other countries.  How very sad.

Whoooa, guess all the Americans are gonna be loading up and 
headin for home tomorrow - shit the towel e bam have not 
surrendered but 7 men .... and more than the 1,000 troops we 
have deployed have been killed.  Thats some serious 
investigative news sources you got there UK Vomit.

ALLAH sure is changing the tide of the war .... must be all the 
dua's the reporter asked us for.

You really should try and get your news from other sources than 
your London Mosque newsletter.  But we do appreciate you posting 
where your getting your info, and point of view from.

We all needed a good laugh.!!!!LOL!!!!

I just saw your post.

"Abdul Hamid, age 20, is an American. 
He is not a naturalized citizen or disaffected Arab-American 
youth rebelling against Western culture. He is a white, educated-
sounding, apparently middle-class American"

What are you trying to say about him being my brother?  You're 
so confused.  Go to sleep little child.  He's an American who 
obviously thinks that people like you are so full of shit that 
he's turned away from your filthy way of life.

Sorry, ED... my last post was directed to UKV's propaganda 
post.  Didn't want any confusion there.

With regard to your post, however, I find it very sad that 
people value dirt more than human life.  I do not find any piece 
of land to be any more sacred than another.  I believe the 
construction of a mosque is an excellent idea for learning 
tolerance.  It may be bad timing to do this right now, however.  
I hope it comes to pass.  Thank you for posting that, ESD...

See - it works.  Now do you realise that there can be other 
points of view in the world?

Just like you see this as propaganda, there are loads of equally 
mystified people watching your news and treating your news as 
propaganda.  Western Media is being seen as a big filter to stop 
real news getting out.  Can you not fathom the concept?  Do you 
know who killed Kennedy?  I bet you know it wasn't Lee H 
Oswald.  But you can't find out.   Do you trust your government 
so very much then?  O.K.  the answer must be "yes" because you 
have no other choice.  Your media and government have a roven 
track record of lies, deceit and immoral behaviour.  Why do you 
expect the world to believe it's all gone suddenly truthful in 
time of war?

"Abdul Hamid"-----so who puplishes this one of a kind 
genious?Ya got a web address for him?

how about 
http://www.hasbinladen/thedarkcaves/0,,0000000000000,00
.html

My mistake--for a minute there, I thought you had someone 
to back up your "news report".
Do let us know where you receive such prize info. (if you 
have one)

Wasamadder Spy?  Not got your little freebie software to do some 
tracing for you?  Still looking to scare people with finding out 
web addresses and tracing their IP addresses?

Hav eyou found out anything real about your anthrax alerts?  Are 
Americans still "cowering" (as reported by our media last month) 
or is there a news blackout to stop them worrying?  Come on - 
surely you know who is behind the anthrax!  I'm sure it's a 
right-wing extreme nutter (like some of the poster on this 
board) who's doen all this.  Has the FBI pulled its head out of 
its bottom and found anyone yet?  I hear they're too busy 
rounding up innocent arabs / muslims around America and then 
executng them.  Your civil rights need some investigations. 
We'll have to come down and police your government and shut down 
your illegal operations. 

Your latest Anthrax news is laughable - now somebody's crying 
about some Smallpox scare.  Get real guys.

Why do your black/asian post-office workers get treated so badly 
and why are they left exposed to the Anthrax whereas the rest of 
the people get special treatment?  We don't have such inequality 
here.  My black Afro-Carribean friends don't have to walk around 
worrying about who's going to stab them in the back.  We are a 
small nation but we're properly integrated with real respect for 
all cultures.  Learn form us and you won't be attacked so badly 
in future.  What's this about your biggest energy company going 
bust?  Don't worry - it's only money.  Oh, I forgot, that's what 
you guys worship.  Sorry to upset your sensibilities.  Goodnight.

Arafat is a terrorist.

We are so gratefull that you are showing us the truth, I know
coming from you it really hits home. You spent, what, 3-4 days
putting that shit together? You are one pathetic motherfucker.
 But its great to know America just irritates the hell out of
you. Thanks for caring.

Here ya'are Spy baby.  This is from the BBC web site....

oh - here's the URL before you cry for it again... 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1663000/16
63376.stm


Serious stuff:
US accused over bio-weapons deal

Experts see bio-weapons as one of world's biggest dangers

By the BBC's Paul Wilenius and Robbie Gibb 
The United States is putting at risk a key United Nations 
conference on deadly biological weapons which gets under way in 
Geneva on Monday. 

The conference, which is aimed at strengthening the Biological 
Weapons Convention, will be attended by up to 500 delegates 
representing up to 144 countries. 
A number of British politicians and experts have accused the 
Americans of dragging their feet following the Bush 
administration's rejection of a new protocol in July this year. 

They say the US could jeopardise moves to bring in a tough new 
inspection and enforcement regime. 

"The danger at Geneva is that there will be an endless flow of 
recriminations against the United States for what it did in July 
and August, which will make them even more resistant to coming 
back on board," warned Nicholas Sims of the London School of 
Economics in an interview on the BBC's War Report. 

New proposals 

The dispute dates back to the Bush administration's decision on 
25 July to veto a protocol aimed at giving the convention teeth. 

Yet despite the US coming up with its own new proposals, many 
countries fear this will not be enough to cope with the growing 
threat of bio-terrorism. 



The US has fallen prey to anthrax attacks
 
The dangers of biological weapons falling into terrorist hands 
is underlined by Dr Graham Pearson, the former boss of the UK 
Porton Down Biological Weapons Establishment. 

"I believe that the use of disease deliberately to harm humans, 
animals or plants, poses the greatest danger of all weapons of 
mass destruction because it had the weakest prohibition regime 
in contrast to the nuclear and chemical weapon regimes," he told 
the BBC's War Report. 

Also appearing on the programme, in his first ever broadcast 
interview, was Dr Serguei Popov, former head of both the Vector 
and Obolensk Russian biological warfare programmes. 

He raised the spectre of genetically modified biological 
weapons, which are resistant to any conventional medicine. 

"The final purpose of the programme was to create more dangerous 
biological agents... agents were engineered to be antibiotic 
resistant and even to overcome the existing vaccine," he said. 

Cool reception 

According to Nicholas Sims any new US proposals are not likely 
to be well received. 
I would expect them to be received coolly because the United 
States is seen as having disqualified itself from contributing 
to the strengthening of the convention by its rejectionist 
attitude," he said. 

There are worries that even after the terrorist attacks on 11 
September, the United States is still not convinced that 
international bodies such as the United Nations can help fight 
the war on terror. 

This follows a string of decisions by President Bush to reject 
other treaties, such the Kyoto agreement on global warming. 

Loath to commit 

Experts are also concerned that the Americans are opposing moves 
to toughen up the treaty to protect its own biological defence 
programme, as well as the US pharmaceutical industry. 

But Kenneth Adleman, a presidential adviser on defence issues, 
said the US was loathe to commit to a new convention because it 
was yet to be convinced that stronger restrictions were the 
answer. 

"I think the protocol of biological weapons may be great on 
paper but it's very different going to execution... Saddam 
Hussein has kept us out of doing any inspections, I think it's 
for the last three years, and that makes a mockery of those kind 
of conventions," he said. 

The War Report is part of the BBC's weekly On The Record 
Programme

Seeing how you can't provide an address--heres one for you
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22964122/26199693
QLPoKLUDbf

Fischer speaks out to applaud Trade Centre attacks 
By David Bamber and Chris Hastings
(Filed: 02/12/2001) 


BOBBY FISCHER, the reclusive American chess grandmaster, has 
broken years of silence to support the terrorist attacks on the 
World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

The Telegraph has discovered that Mr Fischer gave an interview 
to an obscure radio station in the Philippines hours after the 
events on September 11.

Mr Fischer is already wanted for questioning by the FBI for 
breaking UN sanctions by taking part in a chess match in Serbia 
against Boris Spassky in 1992 - his first for 20 years.

In his interview on September 11 with Radio Bombo in Baguio 
City, Mr Fischer said: "This is all wonderful news. It is time 
to finish off the US once and for all.

"I was happy and could not believe what was happening. All the 
crimes the US has committed in the world. This just shows, what 
goes around comes around, even to the US.

"I applaud the act. The US and Israel have been slaughtering the 
Palestinians for years. Now it is coming back at the US."

Mr Fischer, 58, also attacked Israel and "Jews" who he claimed 
were responsible for "bringing" the attack on the World Trade 
Centre. He gave the interview because he is a friend of Pablo 
Mercado, the station manager. They met through their mutual 
friend Eugene Torre, the Filipino chess grandmaster.

Last night Mr Mercado confirmed that he took the call from Mr 
Fischer and then interviewed him live on air. He has met Mr 
Fischer on several previous occasions with Mr Torre. 

Mr Mercado said: "Bobby rang me up while he was watching the 
events in New York live on television. He felt so strongly about 
what he was watching, he wanted to say the American government 
had it coming to them.

"I was shocked but not surprised. I know his views about America 
because I have spoken to him on a number of occasions and met 
him through our mutual friend Eugene Torre. It is Bobby Fischer 
without a shadow of a doubt."

Mr Mercado said that Mr Fischer had put on weight since his last 
public appearance and talked constantly of his old chess 
matches. He always carried chess books with him.

The Telegraph tracked down Mr Fischer to his hideaway in Japan 
on Friday but he put the telephone down. Mr Fischer, who has 
been a grandmaster since the 1950s, became the first - and so 
far only - American world champion in 1972.

He disappeared for the best part of 20 years before surfacing in 
1992 to play against his old opponent Spassky for $5 million.

The match broke sanctions imposed by the United Nations and in a 
controversial move he was indicted in the United States. 
President George Bush, the father of the current president, gave 
his personal approval for the legal action.

Mr Fischer, who usually lives in Hungary, is a well-known anti-
Semite who has spoken out against "the international Jewish 
conspiracy".

Thats not the article I'm looking for.Wheres the facts to back 
up your earlier post? "02 December 2001 : Over 50 
American Soldiers killed during 
Botched Attack on Helmand"
Come on Smart guy--show your stuff.

Is that all you can come back with?  Swearing again?  Shows that 
you're rattled again.  At least give us some irrefutable facts. 
What? You don't have any?  How about your free press?  Yeah - 
that's right, now you know what you're up against.  Your press 
is in cahoots and you are the little pawns but made to feel like 
the free people.   Good luck trying to find out anything.  
You'll have to come here to the UK for that.  But don't worry, I 
don't mind spoon-feeding you as that's how you're used to 
hearing your news anyways.

For your kind information dear little spolit child, I didn't 
have to make that up. But if you want to believe I would and 
that more than half the world doesn't see these stories then 
feel free.  After all you're in the land of the free.  Free to 
be ignorant anyway.  The rest of us are in the land of reality.  
We can explain "reality" to you if you guys want to attend a 
lecture on it.

Here's more from our world-reknowned BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1629000/16
29056.stm
By BBC News Online's Megan Lane in New York 

As New York wakes up to news of the city's first confirmed case 
of inhalation anthrax - and warnings of a new terror attack - 
few commuters are comfortable going underground to catch the 
subway. 

The New York subway is famously dirty, noisy and initially 
disquieting, although it is a great deal safer than it used to 
be. 

Whereas once commuters and tourists might have worried about 
muggers or stray nutters running amok, those fears have now 
turned to possible terror attacks. 

"Mr Fischer is already wanted for questioning by the FBI for 
breaking UN sanctions by taking part in a chess match in Serbia 
against Boris Spassky in 1992 - his first for 20 years"

What's the great superpower America so afraid of?  Why put 
sanctions on stopping this guy playing chess in Serbia.  How 
paranoid and screwed up can your country get?  Appalling!  Grow 
up USA!  Before the whole world laughs at you.

BTW tiny-brained eagle stain, you make fun of Fischer chess 
abilities but he can play the game far better than you can even 
think of setting up a chess board.  Hypocrite!  Surely that's 
not another American trait.

You are a FUCKIN" LIAR, PERIOD.

"Your media and government have a roven track record of lies, 
deceit and immoral behaviour."

(roven -- did you mean proven?)

I'd like you to provide me with any information and sources you 
can about our media's track record of lies, please.  In other 
words, qualify your statement with proof.  (Don't bother about 
the government; I already know they lie.  It's natural -- in 
fact, I think it's an initiation process in learning to become a 
politician.)  You'll also have to provide me with the track 
record of media lies everywhere else in the world, since none of 
the other countries are reporting more American deaths, so far 
as I know.

Remember, V, this is a different war.  Tactical, 'smart' weapons 
are being used.  Our troops have been trained to the neck.  Most 
of the initial attacks were performed from far away, not on the 
front lines.  In fact, there really are no front lines to be 
identified.  We're not fighting a country, we're not hunting 
down people with red insignias on their shirts, we're not doing 
much of anything we've ever done before in wartime.  Thank you, 
however, for the new perspectives.

10 Saudis identified in US-led war

Updated on 12/1/2001 9:33:25 AM
 
JEDDAH (NNI): At least 15 Saudis and 13 Yemenis fighting 
alongside the Taleban have been killed since the start of the 
US-led war in Afghanistan on Oct. 

7, the Okaz newspaper reported. 

Quoting unidentified sources, the paper published the 
names and hometowns of 10 of the 15 Saudi nationals it 
said were killed. 

According to Okaz, they were Adil Rashid Al-Woraik 
(Alkhobar), Abdullah Al-Shubanat (Qassim), Sami Al-Harby 
(Riyadh), Rashid Al-Hawni (Qassim), Abdul Wahid 
Al-Qahtani (Riyadh), Yusuf Al-Madani (Madinah), Muadh 
Baashan (Makkah), Asim Al-Tihami (Abha), Faihan Al-Otaiby 
and Zaidan Muhammad Al-Shehari, 22. 

Source:TheFrontierPost

Its so obvious that you are completly fascinated with America
its driving you nutty. Its great, spy gets you riled and you
cant spell anymore! LOL, good show old chapped arse. Stray
nutters running amok, LOL. Yes they are and your the head nutter.

Flippin' the channels and there's the BRITISH Rock group 
playin' their show in front of a BIG RED, WHITE & BLUE 
AMERICAN FLAG !!! he he he---

Sorry, didn't mean to address you like I did.  I thought you 
were someone else.  I mistook you for a person.  My bad.

You are mistaken about me caring for (let alone being fascinated 
by) America.  I can see why you are so easily misled.  You might 
not have any interest in any other country but the rest of the 
world does have general knowledge of other countries.  I'm only 
displaying general knowledge of America.  I'm sure that for an 
American to show such awareness of any other country than the 
US, it would be considered that he/she studied the country and 
attained some kind of PhD (by american standards) before knowing 
where the country is.

Anyway, back to the topic of your ignorance:

Your words........
"and unlike some other countries, our reporters are allowed to 
report whatever the hell they feel like reporting.  Mostly that 
is what they see and hear around them that they feel would give 
them good ratings in America and worldwide.  Americans being 
killed would be top news headlines around here.  I don't believe 
that any government could squelch that information."

Big concepts from gullible Americans.  But here's some articles 
supporting evidence that you guys are more in the dark than the 
rest of the world...

This first article shows how the "land of the free" is 
suppressing information.  Big question is why?  Read the article 
before crying that it's for military tactics or something fancy.

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,575594,00.htm
l
>
>Duncan Campbell
>Wednesday October 17, 2001
>The Guardian
>
>The Pentagon has spent millions of dollars to prevent western 
media from 
>seeing highly accurate civilian satellite pictures of the 
effects of 
>bombing in Afghanistan, it was revealed yesterday.
>
>The images, which are taken from Ikonos, an advanced civilian 
satellite 
>launched in 1999, are better than the spy satellite pictures 
available to 
>the military during most of the cold war.
>
>The extraordinary detail of the images already taken by the 
satellite 
>includes a line of terrorist trainees marching between training 
camps at 
>Jalalabad. At the same resolution, it would be possible to see 
bodies lying 
>on the ground after last week's bombing attacks.
>
>Under American law, the US defence department has legal power 
to exercise 
>"shutter control" over civilian satellites launched from the US 
in order to 
>prevent enemies using the images while America is at war. But 
no order for 
>shutter control was given, even after the bombing raids began 
10 days ago.
>
>The decision to shut down access to satellite images was taken 
last 
>Thursday, after reports of heavy civilian casualties from the 
overnight 
>bombing of training camps near Darunta, north-west of 
Jalalabad. Instead of 
>invoking its legal powers, the Pentagon bought exclusive rights 
to all 
>Ikonos satellite pictures of Afghanistan off Space Imaging, the 
company 
>which runs the satellite. The agreement was made 
retrospectively to the 
>start of the bombing raids.
>
>The US military does not need the pictures for its own purposes 
because it 
>already has six imaging satellites in orbit, augmented by a 
seventh 
>launched last weekend. Four of the satellites, called Keyholes, 
take 
>photographic images estimated to be six to 10 times better than 
the 1 metre 
>resolution available from Ikonos.
>
>The decision to use commercial rather than legal powers to bar 
access to 
>satellite images was heavily criticised by US intelligence 
specialists last 
>night. Since images of the bombed Afghan bases would not have 
shown the 
>position of US forces or compromised US military security, the 
ban could 
>have been challenged by news media as being a breach of the 
First 
>Amendment, which guarantees press freedom.
>
>"If they had imposed shutter control, it is entirely possible 
that news 
>organisations would have filed a lawsuit against the government 
arguing 
>prior restraint censorship," said Dr John Pike, of 
Globalsecurity, a US 
>website which publishes satellite images of military and 
alleged terrorist 
>facilities around the world.
>
>The only alternative source of accurate satellite images would 
be the 
>Russian Cosmos system. But Russia has not yet decided to step 
into the 
>information void created by the Pentagon deal with Space 
Imaging.
>
>  Duncan Campbell is a writer on intelligence matters, and is 
not the 
>Guardian's Los Angeles correspondent of the same name.
>
>
>
>
>http://www.sptimes.com/News/101601/Worldandnation/US_military_bu
ys_righ.shtml
>
>U.S. military buys rights to satellite images
>   The deal keeps other eyes off the war zone and allows a 
different look.
> Associated Press,
>published October 16, 2001
>
>


This second article shows how your media is controlled....

American Journalist Tells Students U.S. Mideast Coverage "Biased"


EVANSTON, Nov 13 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - An American 
journalist who
has reported from the Middle East said on Sunday that U.S. news 
coverage of
the region is biased towards Israel, often ignoring the country's
discrimination and violence toward Palestinians, Northwestern 
University's
Daily newspaper reported.

Alison Weir, a freelance reporter who lived in Afghanistan for 
more than a
year and spent a month reporting in the West Bank and Gaza 
Strip, told
roughly 100 Northwestern University students and Evanston 
residents in
Harris Hall that the biased reporting was "consciously contrived
manipulation of news."

She called it a "cover-up" of a region of the world that seems 
distant,
confusing and irrelevant to most Americans' daily lives.

"This is the most censored story I've ever encountered," Weir 
said.

Weir's experiences in the Palestinian-populated area were much 
different
from what she expected, said the paper. She said the region 
usually is
portrayed as anti-American and hostile toward women, but she was 
surprised
at how welcoming and friendly the people were.

While she was in the West Bank and Gaza, Weir submitted four 
articles to
past employers, but none were published.

She said her articles focused more on the impact of the fighting 
on
Palestinians, while newspapers reported Israeli deaths in the 
headlines and
Palestinian deaths in the body text.

She tied the U.S. media's bias to the large amount of money that 
Israel
annually receives from the U.S. to buy arms. She said cutting 
off support to
Israel might make them more willing to compromise with the 
Palestinians.

"Palestinians are dying by the ammunition bought with American 
taxpayers'
money," Weir said. "Our blank check to Israel is preventing the 
peace
process that needs to take place."

She listed ways Israelis discriminate against Palestinians, 
saying Israelis
are building highways, or "bypass roads," in the occupied 
territories that
Palestinian cars marked with different colored license plates 
are not
allowed to use.

Checkpoints, heavily guarded by soldiers - Weir called 
them "death points" -
often denied Palestinians access to extensive areas within 
Israel, she said.

Palestinians called "terrorists" are actually "terrorized 
victims who [have]
tragically, but explicably, turned to violence [themselves]," 
Weir said.

Earlier in October, Northwestern University (NU) and University 
of Chicago
professors presented a public forum about Islamic views of the 
United States
before a large crowd.

Sponsored by NU's Center for International and Comparative 
Studies, the
panel focused on the challenges facing followers of Islam in the 
wake of the
September 11 attacks.

Panelists highlighted historical events that have shaped the way 
Muslims in
the Middle East and the former Soviet republic view the United 
States.


This third article is self explanatory..

>10. Protesters clash over CNN coverage
>
>(NEWS DAY): About 200 people rallied against CNN's coverage of 
the war in 
>Afghanistan, leading to three arrests. "CNN, half the story, 
all the time," 
>they chanted Saturday at CNN Center. The protesters said 
millions of 
>refugees and residents in Afghanistan face starvation but CNN 
isn't telling 
>the story.
>
>http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-brf-cnn-
arrests1111nov11.story
>


EVEN MORE!....

>(RENSE): Stephen Gowans: "As the devastation in Afghanistan 
becomes 
>clearer, as stories of broken bodies and blood and flattened 
Red Cross 
>depots and orphaned children and weeping mothers trickle out of 
the 
>war-torn and drought-stricken country, the White House and the 
State 
>Department and the Pentagon fire back: Don't believe it. It's 
propaganda... 
>Why is there so much Washington doesn't want you to know?"
>
>http://www.rense.com/general16/ourmasters.htm


More...!
Jack Kelley of USA Today wrote a cover story called
"Vigilantes take up arms, vow to expel 'Muslim filth'".

In it, he describes Israeli extremists and terrorists
and their hatred of Muslims. It was one of the best and
objective major cover stories exposing the Israeli
terrorism against Palestinians. 

Mr. Kelley received over 300 emails from Zionists all
around the world condemning his story. 

He received 5 positive emails. 

Mr. Kelley is very upset because he is under tremendous
and overwhelming pressure from the criticism pouring
down on him from Zionists worldwide due to his truthful
article. 

The article can be found at: 

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010904/3599125s.htm 

Well--looks like you wrote a whole bunch of shit again and 
didn't say one thing ( except that you are a hate filled 
liar---but we already knew that too).
Shouldn't waste so much of your valuable time.
Hey--maybe you can start up your own newspaper and then 
you'll have a source for your "news".

You've got to expand your vocab and learn some other words 
rather than these filthy swear words. 

Our band was playing in front of an american flag for your 
benifit becasue we know how hurt your ego is at this moment.

Some people care about your little sensibilities.

Now stop whining about that URL.  You know it's atuhentic and 
you know where to find it.  Don't be such a moron who can't find 
an article for awd sake!  You're the big man who's been boasting 
of your internet spying skills.  Has you ineptitude been exposed?

Well ain't that too FUCKIN" bad--I'm sure as FUCK not going 
to appease you.
NOW----where's the Proof---let me repeat myself.
Wheres the facts to back up your earlier post?
 "02 December 2001 : Over 50 
American Soldiers killed during 
Botched Attack on Helmand"

Go back to your family porn bussiness---it's your only 
calling.

Thanks for the good laugh.  Maybe you should move to Afganistan 
and send us first hand propaganda.  

I hear we are also missing a couple air-craft carrier groups and 
hundreds planes.  Oh Yeah, -those are the ones headed to Iraq.

Peace Baby.

"Has the FBI pulled its head out of 
its bottom and found anyone yet?  I hear they're too busy 
rounding up innocent arabs / muslims around America and then 
executng them."  

bismallah ....... Not nearly fast enough, but I'll settle for 
deportation vs. Towel e ban style Upper appendage removal.

"Your civil rights need some investigations. 
We'll have to come down and police your government and shut down 
your illegal operations."

Buuuwwahahhahhahaha hahahahahahahah hahahaha .... what with all 
3 of the ships you have left that didnt get sunk by the dumb ass 
Falkland Argentinian Bandits? Are those viscious bobbies gonna 
come over and shout at us?  Look, we kicked you the fuck off our 
rock before, and BY JOE we'll do it again - or have you CHAP's 
forgotten that lesson?  And wait ..... will you please please 
please help us with our Civil Rights issues - we wanna do the 
Arabs like you did the Irish - that looked so fuuun. Tomorrow is 
Sunday, Bloody Sunday.

""Why do your black/asian post-office workers get treated so 
badly 
and why are they left exposed to the Anthrax whereas the rest of 
the people get special treatment? ""

Nice commentary - care to expound on this tripe with some fact 
or should we just ignore your mentally deranged op-ed here?


""We don't have such inequality 
here.  My black Afro-Carribean friends don't have to walk around 
worrying about who's going to stab them in the back.""

Most criminals dont have to worry about things like that.
  
""  We are a 
small nation but we're properly integrated with real respect for 
all cultures.""  

Im sure your surrounded with Jewish and Christian friends, and 
their so loved in your circle of inner idiots at the local pub.

""Learn form us and you won't be attacked so badly 
in future.""  

Of course you dont get attacked so badly ... its well known UK 
is the happening spot for terror cells - they dont wanna blow 
their own shit up nor spoil a good thing.  They got it nice and 
cozy over there  - especially with your panzy legal system and 
those buffoons with big blue hats and clubs walking the streets 
w/ a badge picking on all the skin heads and other nancy pants 
girls you run with.  Hows it feel to be the willing supplicant 
to the Arabs and Muslim Mullahs - watching your once proud 
people cower at their mere presence as they breathe hate and 
terror from the mosques ... and you knickered little pukes just 
sit back and suck their teet like piglets.  "Oh dont get upset 
with us please dont hurt us little white sissy's here in the 
UK ... we respect your rights to kill us all.....you big burley 
bad ass towel heads.  You look so mean with just one eye."

""What's this about your biggest energy company going 
bust? " 

Pimple on a gnats ass - such as yourself.  This too shall pass.  
Its actually  good thing.  They were attempting to manipulate a 
fucked up system of dealing with our energy and got caught with 
their perverbial teet in the ringer.  Cie la vie.  Plenty more 
companies around to pick up the slack - always has been - always 
will be.  Unlike your msierable little fog engulfed island of 
paleness - we will have no problem dealing with this issue.  At 
least we can get a fucking train/rail system running and on 
budget - for fucks sake how pathetic are you people?  How long 
have trains been around, and you still cant get that shit 
figured out?


""Don't worry - it's only money.Oh, I forgot, that's what you 
guys worship.""

Well at least its real and here today ..... which is more than I 
can say about some dumb ass' "flight of enlightenment".  Now I 
know where the Mormons got their golden birds, tablets and 
goggle bullshit.

US military gears up for endgame
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_16
82000/1682713.stm

=========================================
 
British special forces praised by US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_168700
0/1687064.stm

=========================================

made my day when I read that there was still hope that 
U.K.Citizen  might reconsider rejoining this board...He has been 
missed.  I know that I haven't posted often but will try to get 
over my stage fright!  This board has been such a learning 
experince for me but, still have the fear of acting as a fool.  
What has givin me the most strength has been so many of us have 
come together and united with each other....

Actually, Tony Blair is re-imbursing us I heard.  He was utterly 
humilaited when the images of dead SAS slaughtered by Taliban 
women were filling the screen.  Evidently the bitches uncrossed 
their legs and the stench floored the un-suspecting SAS, and 
then the towel e bam militia rushed in and took advantage of 
their temporary disorientation, and wiped them out.

Thank you for giving us the chance to join your wonderful union.
You are are such nice wonderful people to help us rid our 
country (soon to be state) of the Taliban menace.

May Allah bless you all,
Mullah Enaud
Mullah_Enaud@Afghansas.com

http://www.Aghansas.com

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/27/gen.qatada.transcript.
cnna/index.html

LONDON, England (CNN) -- London Muslim cleric Abu Qatada has 
been convicted in Jordan for inciting terrorist acts and has 
been linked by Spanish authorities to people with alleged ties 
to Osama bin Laden. In his first TV interview with Western media 
since September 11, he spoke with CNN Chief International 
Correspondent Christiane Amanpour. 

Most American childrens' first impression of the British armed
forces comes from the study of the American Revoulution. I can
still recall the laughter when told of the Redcoats marching in
to battle like walking stiff zombies with their brightly colored
uniforms standing out like the sun in the wilderness while they
were picked off like flys by the smarter enemy hiding in the
trees. Red uniforms, LOL!
 America kicked you arses a couple of times and saved your little
rock for your impotant arse and still obnoxious buttheads like
you belittle your savior. And you talk about Americans egos.
Hell, the Northern Alliance didnt want your best SAS involved
at all for fear they would turn the operation into a goatfuck.
 Well at least your troops had few hurt, and your media had
little to report other than Blair jetting around the world
kissing asses. He had more action than your troops.

Thanks for the chuckle, old boy.  Reporting articles from the 
Guardian would be the same thing if I reported bat-boy and Elvis 
sightings from the National Enquirer.  

I wasn't familiar with Rense.com, so I checked out their site.  
Turns out they have exactly 4 columnists and they mostly talk 
about UFOs and crop circles, as well as typical conspiracy 
theory crapola.  The article you posted from that obviously 
newsworthy site really made me giggle.  Thanks!

It's funny what you posted with regard to the newsday.com 
article.  You obviously don't have much of an education, do 
you?  That article was not reporting that CNN reports half the 
story; it was saying that some PROTESTORS were making that 
claim.  Ha!!  I tried to get to the entire article (since you 
only posted a few sentences from it) so I could find the 
information in context, but after about 6 attempts, I could not 
get to this supposed article.  I even tried doing a search at 
newsday.com, but it didn't have anything at all.  Either you 
made that up, it came from some weird archive, or it was from 
another publication altogether.  Boy, you really are not the 
brightest apple in the bunch, are you?

You also posted yet another article from the obviously unbiased 
IslamOnline & News Agencies.  Giggling all over again!!!!

By the way, maybe you should have read Jack Kelly's USA Today 
article for yourself before embarrassing yourself with 
commentary.  I don't know if I should try to explain it to you, 
because you might not understand, but I'll use small words for 
your benefit.  Jack Kelly reported the attacks by extremist 
zionist settlers in Israel on innocent Palestinians, which was 
damned by Israeli officials.  Here is a quote from his article:

"The almost daily attacks have been condemned by nearly all 
Israelis, including most settlers. Politicians, who fear the 
extremists will spoil Israel's attempt to portray itself as the 
victim rather than the aggressor in this conflict, have been the 
most vocal.

" 'These Jewish terrorists are criminals,' Israeli Foreign 
Minister Shimon Peres says. 'They've gone too far.'"

I could not find anywhere where Jack Kelly was "upset."  Did you 
make that up too, or did you borrow another sentiment from 
IslamOnline?  I don't believe you actually think for yourself; 
that would take too many precious brain cells.

And finally, I could not help but double over with laughter at 
the idea that you thought I said you cared about America!!!  You 
sure don't know how to read.  No wonder you're so bitter!  I 
understand you so much better now, my poor moronic friend.  You 
are uneducated and unable to process information, and perhaps 
you belong in a home.  Now I understand why you hate the people 
on this board.  They all outshine the brilliance you believe you 
have, and you just don't understand why.  Tsk tsk tsk!  Not nice 
to laugh at the mentally challenged!!

to "you" for the hardships your fellow countrymen and women have 
had to endure.  I am sorry for our errant bombs that killed 
innocent afghans.   It appears that you realize that those were 
honest mistakes and that we were not trying to do that 
intentionally.

I hope the Northern Alliance does not take advantage and harm 
many people during their interim control.  I hope that food and 
aid gets to the people in your country that need it quickly.

And to "you" I apologize for the errant comments I have made 
about Muslims and Islam, you sir are the very first Muslim I 
have heard say thank you, or "any" decent word about America 
since 9/11/01.

Thanks  for the welcome  ...It means alot

Listen you guys, don't be too hard on the true Brits or their 
country.  This retard (UKV) obviously only represents the ones 
in the sanitarium who drool next to him.  He is obviously very 
stupid and very uneducated, and he hasn't much sense to boot.  
There is no way that he represents GB or the UK any more than 
OBL represents Islam.  UKVoiceless is, in short, a fool.  Please 
don't hold his residence against his country!

BY THE WAY... I was curious after reading Mullah Enaud's post up 
there, so I checked out his/her site, www.Afghansas.com.  It is 
well worth the look!!!  Check out the tune posted there:

* * * * * * * *
KILL 'EM ALL 

(to the tune of Bless'em all.) 

Kill 'em all! Kill 'em all! 

The long and the short and the tall; 

Kill all the al Qaeda and all the Taliban, 

Kill their sick leader Osama bin Laden, 

`cause we're saying good-bye to them all 

As back to their holes they crawl, 

We'll get rightful justice

For those who have left us,

So cheer up, my friends, Kill 'em all!

Everybody knows what evil they've done, 

So cheer up, my friends, Kill 'em all! 

* * * * * * * *

There's a lot of really great stuff at that site.  Be sure to 
check out the weather!!!!  ROFL!!!!  I know Spy and EagleEye 
especially will appreciate that site!

Thanks, Mullah!!  Rock On!

Thanks for the message, NCGal.  I will pass your post along to 
U.K. Citizen.  I sure wish you'd post here more often!  The 
estrogen is outnumbered by the testosterone by a factor of about 
75 to 1.  Don't be shy!!

http://afghansas.com/brakes.asp



(was that you in the beer commercial---ha ha ha)

You're pretty hilarious. I don't know if you mean to be, but you 
have officially earned the clown award from me. In the 
amazing case that you aren't joking with us, I have another 
great movie to recommend - "Conspiracy Theory". If you 
haven't seen it yet, you'll get a kick out of it. Real world...HA!

Just throw your 2 cents in whenever you can. Dont worry about
being a fool, if you've read some posts (mine included) there
are no rocket scientists here! Welcome.

Thank you for your kind words and thanks for the web 
address.
I sure hope things get much better for your nation. I'm sorry
for all the damage the taliban and bin Laden did to your 
country.
Please return to this board if you feel like it.
Thanks again---your post made it worthwhile.

Not me in the beer ad, sorry to disappoint you! :)  I do have a 
blouse like hers, though... I sent my pic to a couple of people 
from this board who wrote emails to me (yes, including U.K. 
Citizen).  The other board I belong to is a Discus board, which 
is really nice and advanced and lets us post pictures and files 
and everything we want.  This board won't even let me use html, 
unfortunately!  Oh well, probably not the place for it anyway.

Did you enjoy that Afghansas site?  I thought you might!  Loved 
the weather and the governor's page, too, as well as the road 
conditions.  Someone very talented is at work there.  I even 
looked at the legal disclaimer (link at the bottom).  Make sure 
you check out everything there!  I hope Mullah posts here again.

=========================================
Pakistan and Iran resume defence ties
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1
686000/1686927.stm
=========================================
Iran and Pakistan Deport Afghans, U.N. Aides Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/01/international/asia/01RE
FU.html?ex=1007874000&en=3970bb3c239d19ea&ei=504
0&partner=MOREOVER
=========================================

Your country is supporting us and we appreciate that.  A couple 
of your ragheads who went ouyt jihading got kilt in Afghanistan. 
Serves 'em right.  But to the point.    You are such a stupid 
shit.  The American people support the asskicking going on in 
Afghanistan even if it means casualties. We know there will be, 
maybe have been, casualties. That happens in war, nimrod. You 
still have not given a citation for your source for all these 
alleged US casualties.  You be pathetic.  But you gotta 
understand something:  Even if those casualty figures were 
right, 90% of the American people would still support our 
actions.  And by the way, you think the press is more free in 
Arab countries than here ?  Huh ?   So what's your point ?  That 
the Pentagon isn't leveling with us during a war ?  No shit.  We 
know that, knucklehead.  We just want the job done as soon as 
humanly possible and on to the next place these terrorist pricks 
breed.  One last question.  If your guys are doing so well, why 
have they lost control of so much territory.  Wait, wait, I 
know.  It's a strategic retreat to begin the pussy shit war from 
caves.  Bottom line--and you must know this--we will not fail.