Well--if you would read before shooting off your mouth--you 
would see you're firing your shit at your allies !!!!

We all are far from experts on all subjects.  But, I just would 
like to know how anyone, under the current circumstances, as we 
were just attacked, and further vicious attacks are on the 
horizon, why one would not seek out ALL the knowledge on the 
subject, - All the knowledge so as to just know what the hell is 
going on? Why they attacked? Who are they?  Why would they do it 
again?  Who's is and where did the Taliban come from?  Who is 
Usama bin Laden?  What is a Fundementalist?  What is Islam?  
What is Radical Islam?  

Usama bin Ladens mother is not a hooker in Mecca, you turd head 
ton of Florida.  Usama's birth mother is dead.  His stepmom, 
whom he phoned two days before the strikes is living very 
comfortably in Europe.

I can think of no other important subject matter to concern 
oneself with at this time.  Pick up a paper, a book, turn on CNN 
or Fox.  Don't make it up.  This jusy might be kind of important.


John
E pluribus unum.

You might want to target pratice at one "cool motherfucker"
who posted earlier.

go up the board about thirty hours and you'll know where we 
are from

In fact---go back six weeks---way before you posted on this 
board !!!

Nice chastisement of a complete ignoramus. Seeing posts 
from self-righteous, pompous morons makes me sick, but 
your reply to Care had me cracking up. 

For anyone else out there who has something as stupid to 
say as what was posted by "Care?". Stop, turn off the 
computer, then go play in traffic.

You pop in here for a few minutes from your $6 an hour job. You 
refuse to read the board to know what's been discussed and who 
is who, posting what.  You offer nothing but a repeat 
performance of the same old dribble.  You post the same old "far 
from original" dribble over and over again, like this I copied 
from your last post:

"i will say it again  we have to kill at least 4500 more rag 
headed pig eating piss drinking  fuckers...     the people of 
the mid east  must DIE...  do you agree with me or not..."

You have clue zero what sentence structure is or where the 
period goes.

Then you ask this room (or me) to side with you.  Yeah right.  
Go to bed, you gotta get up to flip the burgers in couple hours.

John
E pluribus unum

go back on this board---read the shit posted by "the sunday 
press" and one buttfuck called "spectator"(who I'm pretty 
sure they had a talk with the FBI)
Then you'll know where to aim your "gun"

This is about oil and gas, and money, and who wants it.  
Saudi Arabia has the oil and money, Bin Laden wants it. The 
US gives Saudi Arabia the money, and gets the oil to run its 
economy.  (ride your bike or walk, simple solution to the 
problem.)  Saudi Arabia invests heavily in US stocks and 
bonds, yet teaches its people that the US is evil so that the 
king can stay in place.  Saudi Arabia wants to take over the 
US.  The king uses the US to give his people an enemy 
besides himself.  Bin Laden wants to be king.  He uses the 
US to destabilize Saudi Arabia so he can take it over and get 
the money.  

So I guess you know what should be done...

Thanks for noticing, I enjoyed your thoughts was well.

It usually does result in humor, when one takes pacifism to its 
end game - some people just need a graphic thought to help them 
fully understand the completeness or lack thereof of there 
idealistic thoughts. [ for example - Care? - kinda like that 
puke rock pimp in Britian whos more concerned with dead whales 
than Americans ] [ yes I know for sure he's lost and represents 
NO one in the great country of Britain - other than his ASS ]

However, your latest post would insinuate that combustion engine 
vehicles exist in countries OTHER than the US ...??? Im so 
confused....  I thought we were the only ones using up all the 
fossil fuels?


Well I'll be a jihiddin Sumbitch ... you mean to tell me there's 
cars over there in those european countries over there?  Well 
them fuckers be telling me they dont need no fossil fuels, us 
simpleton rednecks ova here are just plain tuckered out figgerin 
this complex shit out.

We better call our conscience ... quick!

Significant contributor exhausted.  This is what it looks like 
ton.

Quote from:

"Once again, we are trying to protect the WHOLE world from 
murderers and criminals because nobody else can do anything but 
talk and put on a facade of peace."

Op-ED of 'exhausted' in entirety 8 posts above.

J
E...

In fact---here's one of my favorite post on this board:

I am the average American.....

I'm the guy who sends you grain when your crops fail, and 
drinking water when your rivers,streams, and lakes dry up.

I'm the guy who sends hordes of rescue personnel, trucks, 
and 
helicopters to aid you when you suffer earthquakes, floods, 
and 
mudslides.
 
I'm the guy who sends in my sons and daughters to "keep 
the 
peace" when you can no longer do so.
When those relief workers ration out that rice- I probably 
helped pay for it by working some dirty job that I really hate.

When that UH-60 Blackhawk hoists your parents to safety 
from the 
roof of your flooded house, it's because I paid for it with my 
U.S. tax-dollars.

When those PeaceCorp members dig that irrigation ditch to 
help 
your little farming village, it is with my backing and my 
blessing. And when your neighbor threatens you and your 
way of 
life, more often than
not it is I who will stand up and make him back down.

But I weep today....
I weep for thousands of fellow Americans whom I will never 
know...
I weep for hundreds of brave firemen, policemen, and 
paramedics 
who perished while heroicically doing their duties...
I weep for 244 airline passengers who never reached their 
destinations...

Saddest of all...I weep with the knowledge that I will forever 
be looking over my shoulder...

I weep for innocents lost...
I weep for innocence destroyed...
I weep for naivete' shattered...

But soon I will weep no more...
I will dry the tears from my eyes...
I will wipe my runny nose...
I will tighten my belt, and lace up my boots..
And I will sharpen my knife...
I will dry my powder...
and I will oil my weapon..

And as I do so, I will look, and I will listen..
I will note the kind word, the shared grief, the shocked 
condolences...
I will appreciate the support, and be ever grateful for any and 
all aid offered...
But I will also note the gloating, the laughter, the jeers, and 
the perverse joy...
And I will remember...

I am an American...
I am resourceful...
I am determined...
and I never forget..
Sleep well World, fore I will see you soon.

God shows infinite mercy, but trust in me that I will not....
Pass it on.....and God Bless America

UK PRESS TURNS BACK ON USA: MIRROR DECLARES 'THIS WAR IS A 
FRAUD' 

The tide of international media opinion is dramatically turning 
against the US-led War on Terrorism if Monday headlines in 
London prove any indication.

"THIS WAR IS A FRAUD" splashes the MIRROR [circulation 
2,149,422] in large font Page Ones. 

"The war against terrorism is a fraud. After three weeks' 
bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on 
America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan," rips the 
paper. 

'CRITICS OF WAR TACTICS TURN UP THE HEAT ON US" leads the 
FINANCIAL TIMES.

"BLOODY SUNDAY PROVES A TEST FOR US RESOLVE" headlines the 
INDEPENDENT. "The US government insisted yesterday that its 
Afghan campaign was going according to plan, despite repeated 
bombing errors including the killing of seven children as they 
ate breakfast at home in Kabul."

"BOMBING MAY STOP FOR RAMADAN AS SUPPORT FOR WAR FALTERS" fronts 
the DAILY TELEGRAPH.

Murdoch's TIMES jabs "a 'three-week wobble' over the direction 
of the conflict."

Give me a 4.53 in the quater mile funny car !!!!

11th time championship NHRA
Go Johnny Go !!!  

Ms. Teller,   I must believe you may be stuck in time.  This is 
not about oil.  The Gulf War was about oil.  Hello, it's 2001 
not 1991.  This war is about a group of terrorist who attacked 
the United States of America killing 5000 of our beloved 
citizens.  For you to state otherwise (for oil), is an insult to 
the families of the victims.  

To say "ride your bike or walk is a simple solution to the 
problem", is an outright nonsensical statement deserving all the 
ire I can muster in your direction.

You say: "Saudi Arabia wants to take over the US."
What nutball planet are you from?

I would continue but, I just realized I must be particularily 
upset today to even waste one single moment of my time 
correcting you.  Better I marry the ketchups in my fridge.

John
E pluribus unum

we feed the world. we help, we give and we are looked at like 
so much shit. people from all over this planet come to the us to
have education. we teach them with open arms. we pay them while 
they are here. when the us needs help it's fuck you american 
assholes. they burn our flag with the same hands they take our 
money, food, education and our freedom. 

YOU SUCK U SICK FUCK !!!!!!!

Do you think it's  coincidence that islam rules the poorest, most uneducated, brainwashed, 
and racist countries in the world. 
It promotes intolerance and war on their poor backs. 
Just find out where holy wars are fought today. 
We only now realize what Putin was putin' up with in Chechnia. 
Streams of western money flowing indirectly to people and places screwed up and 
dumb enough to believe anything. 
We have to stop dealing with them, get our resources from elsewhere together with 
Russia, China, India . 
Start developing parts of the world that deserve to be developed.
Of the multi-billion dollar restoring plans, let's invest some more, even a whole lot in clean 
fuels and hydrogen energy, yes even for relatively safe and very small power plants 
instead of huge vulnerable ones. 
It coult take us a lot further, selling the technology later.
But first extinct the direct threats and anything or anyone that has to do with them. 
The mere gesture of condoleances to the US from Saddam Hussein should have earned 
him a 50 million dollar reward on his head.
And let us keep our brains together about who are the bad guys here, we all know. 

well, the odds would be better than even, as their teams 
certainly don't use their field for cricket practice...

I saw an interview w/ bin Laden's soon to be ex sister-in-law.  
She stated that he fears being captured--if push comes to shove, 
he wants to die; think he should be accomodated?  Not I.  Take 
him alive; give him a coed jury and a woman as the prosecuting 
attorney...

I agree with almost every thing in Eagle's response to Weak 
Viking.
But I think in Europe we still have a problem; we have too many 
separate countries, prime-ministers, and political parties all 
over and that is why the Europeans as a whole are extremely 
disoriented. 
This should be a time to stand together, not as 12 countries, 
but as one, the problem is that untill the United States of 
Europe have not become e reality yet, being united is, 
unfortunately, impossible. This is also why most of us Europeans 
do not understand the American sense of Patriotism, some 
countries like Holland are patriotic in a somewhat 
folkloristical manner which concerns the Royal Family, but a 
country like Italy for example, knows no patriotic behavior at 
all; the only place you can see the Italian flag is at football 
(soccer)- matches and pizza places. 
The delays of not being one great Europe yet, together with that 
of not having found a worthy alternative of oil might prove to 
be a big problem in the war against terrorist-loving islamics. 
Someone said that the Taliban students are well-educated. This 
is not true.
The Talibs are the students of the Coran; the Taliban movement 
is however is mostly a bunch of tough ignorants, even Omar was 
elevated to the rank of mullah just because of military 
accomplishments. He founded the movement, but he did not finish 
school himself because of the Russian invasion in '79.
The only thing I do not agree with, Eagle, is that you say 
Americans are sick of all the help they are giving in the world.
I am sure most Americans,on the contrary, are proud of that.
    

Well said to Missin' and *A*, and others that I do not know!  Hi 
ya cuzz!  Semper Fi!!!

Spy?  I have to ask!  You have implied that you are in New 
York ... but, were you living in Virginia a few years back?  Can 
you say Quantico for a job site?  If so, your ignorance shines 
here, and I am ashamed to think I might have met you and even 
actually know you!!!! :-(((

For the one(s) that sent me this link?  Thank you!  But this 
vitriolic wasteland is not for me, at this time.  Enjoy 
yourselves!  But I will remain blissfully blind to the hate that 
shines here.  :-(  It seems a good place to burn it all out.

I don't think I'm gay, but let me ask my 
girlfriend, & I'll let you know when I get up. Is your 
philosophy that anyone who can use words longer than four 
letters is gay? Then I think that you are calling everyone on 
this board gay. Stop attacking people. Think of things to say 
about the situation. This board is not about John, EagleEye, or 
anyone else. It is about Sept. 11 & the aftermath. We understood 
that you want 6000 dead. If you think of anything new to say, 
then let us know.

P.S If you are really hung up on killing Moslems, then enlist 
for the army. I think general of the Cannon-Fodder brigade would 
be an ideal position for you.

In response to your arguments about Europens, 
have you ever considered this one? Europeans are like the 
Ancient Greeks, & Americans like the Ancient romans. The Greeks 
go over to Rome proclaiming their moral & intellectual 
superiority, but they are still begging for jobs, because thier 
empire was pretty much finished & the Roman empire was the 
greatest in the world.

But not of the civilians.  your argumentation is good, but hasnt 
anything with my consern to do. . . If you scream kill kill 
afghans and let your hate go to those not implemented, you are 
fighting osama & co cause, to kill more innocent, thats the 
ecxact reaction he has calculated with. .: Yihaaa Osama says. 
Ohh they are so stupid hihihihihi. Theyre killing theire own and 
its me their after. hehe  The people we should be fighting 
against should not be our own. The cause can only be fought in 
our minds. And that fight is hatred and fear. Thats the real 
fight of the 21st century.  

Then you would probably bomb the shit out of our country as well.
(IRONICLY MENT)I believe that the money help America and other 
western countrys give coutrys in the 3 world. supports 
fundamentalistic groups, many helping organisations has lately 
been found guilty in terrorism support. corruption is probably 
the reason. And it spreads all around. Either way you dont go 
around bragging about aid, thats like sticking your hand up the 
worlds asshole just to check if you can get anything more out of 
it. i sure dont. Nobody really gave a shit. until the 
unbeliavable happend. I fear for Usa's/britains safety. What 
could we do if osama suddenly nuked N.Y, or London?. WE WOULD BE 
TOTALY FUCKED! We gotta get those fckers now! And if we dont do 
it right i can almost guaratee you that the deth toll will be 
higher than any tragedy ever. We talk about WW3 here with 
everyone nuking each other til its nothing left

"The only thing I do not agree with, Eagle, is that you say 
Americans are sick of all the help they are giving in the world.
I am sure most Americans,on the contrary, are proud of that."

First off - I didnt intend to sterotype ALL European people into 
the "enlightened, elitst" group, who feel they are the ones who 
should dictate world action(s) - thru their superior worldly 
experience, and intellectual prowess.  When in fact their 
country is as or even more fornicated than the USA. To add to 
that, their world history record is typically the antithesis of 
what they alledge americans should be.  I just find amazing 
hypocrisy with that.  Im not so naive that the USA is perfect - 
we fuck up all the time - but typically for the right - not 
wrong reasons.

Secondly, I did not mean to communicate that Americans are sick 
of giving "anything" to people around the world.  We're sick of 
giving away - then from the same people receiving the aid, 
assistance etc .. that we're big bullies, we dont care, we're 
money and war mongers..... the list of derogatories goes on and 
on.

Thanks  SPY for putting the twat in her place. I dont believe 
this is the forum for talking such shit when we have to fear for 
our very lives from all the shit that is going on with out 
country.  I just got up and had a dream that I hugged Mayor 
Giuliani and we both had tears in our eyes. Now, I am making my 
oatmeal and big pot of coffee.  I guess I will have to brew more 
for Spy, John, Eagle,etc.  but no cigarettes pals.  Also, I just 
had a very productive bowel movement.  High fiber is really the 
way to go peeps.  I feel that the ANTHRAX shit is coming from 
some of laden's cells still here in the country.  Dammit to 
hell, we should have public executions for PROVEN laden's people 
right here in the good ole USA.  I know many people that lost 
loved ones in the WTC.  Such a goddamned shame.  These fuckers 
arenot FIT to be called animals as animals are more civilized 
than these sand niggers.

There can only be one answer to these atrocities.
Strike back hard and effeciently, and with as little risk as possible (so strike big).
There can be no sign of hesitation.
The criticism in the european press on these strikes comes from 60's relics, who see 
themselves as defenders of democracy but don't actually understand the vigor it will take 
to maintain it.
Whoever is behind this -and anyone with them- should be taken out, no support or 
excuses should be accepted.
This has to be finished effectively and with all necessary means, no discussion about that 
here at Radio Europe.

But then, maybe Europe has to take a big blow first, so she'll finally wake up to the call of 
its guests and collegues of the likes of Atta...

Spy, don't equate tree-huggers with pacifism!  I've got 8 
gorgeous trees in my front yard and I'll kick the living crap 
out of anyone who threatens them! :)  They're not just 
decorations, they're part of my America.

Eagle, thanks for posting those headlines up there.  I was 
driving for a couple of hours last night and happened to hear a 
lot of the Drudge Report.  I'm not a DrudgeHead, but he's good 
to listen to from time to time.  He had Monday's headlines from 
Britain that Eagle posted and was ranting about them for a 
while, and I was flabbergasted.  The Mirror (London) evidently 
has around 2 million readers, and according to some people is 
more of a tabloid like America's National Enquirer (which I 
don't read, except in the store to keep up on the latest 
adventures of Bat-Boy!), but I'm not even sure about that.  I 
think Drudge said the Mirror has 2 million readers, and is not a 
government paper.  That was kind of a relief, because I 
personally think that Tony Blair rocks.

If there are any Brits on this board, please let me know why the 
press in the U.K. is verbally shooting the U.S. down, if you 
happen to know the answer to that.  I remember where I was and 
what I was doing when Princess Di was killed, and cried for an 
hour because I thought it was an incredible loss to the entire 
world.  I have since made many online friends in Britain and 
elsewhere in Europe.  The reaction in London to the 9/11 attacks 
on the U.S. was so moving, and I was proud to be associated with 
that country.  I think Tony Blair reacted more powerfully and 
more resolutely to our situation than even Bush did.  I would 
have followed that man around anywhere to fight beside him, 
because to me Tony Blair showed me the meaning of a True Man, 
not a whole lot of hot air but someone who moves to action on 
the side of justice.  I have seen so much support of the United 
States from the U.K. in the past month.  Why is the press there 
now berating our military action?  

Did the reporters hear NOTHING that we have said about this 
war?  Did they not understand that this would be a long and 
primarily covert process?  They are focusing on the handfull of 
Afghani civilians that were caught in the crossfire and killed, 
rather than the more than double number of Christians slain in a 
church??  They are blatting on about how we haven't managed to 
arrest any of the men implicated in the terrorist attacks in the 
past MONTH when we have sifted through thousands and thousands 
of leads EVERY DAY since the attacks here in the states, and 
have made nearly a thousand arrests to that end, and are working 
with countries around the world to weed out the evil ones while 
still trying like HELL to keep freedom alive in the world???  
We're pretty talented in America, but even still it's not so 
easy to sift through 4 billion people in a month.  Excuse us for 
being so freakin slow.

Somebody please do me a favor the next time they're at one of 
these tabloids in Europe who are trying to play the parents 
against each other - go smack around some editors for me for 
spewing trash.  I'll keep hoping that these newspapers don't 
speak for the entirety of England, but rather a minority that do 
not include my own friends there.  The Queen needs to start 
issuing royal spankings to her wayward children.  And if the 
majority of the island agrees with those papers, just send us 
Tony Blair and I'll be happy enough.

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyterror.html

R.E., you must have that handle because you feel you have access 
to some news in Europe.  Can you please explain to me WTF is 
going on over there???

Thank you.

Spy, some of your posts are excellent to read.  However, I would 
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT if you would kindly restrain yourself 
from verbally bashing any U.S. Marines, former or present.  They 
are my personal heroes.  Somehow I doubt you'd ever do that 
intentionally... you seem to be very patriotic, and maybe you 
didn't notice that QueEs is a Marine.

Semper Fi, Brave Ones.  Go kick some terrorist ass.

"Then you would probably bomb the shit out of our country as 
well.(IRONICLY MENT)"

Did you really EVEN think that for an ioda? All irony or sarcasm 
aside.  How perposterous, and inane is that ?  What is up with 
you?  I have no problem you lambasting US, as long as you 
provide at least a sentence or two or a link to factual 
information to back up your smack talk.

"I believe that the money help America and other 
western countrys give coutrys in the 3 world."

Well, from the information we're getting so far - its the 
enlightened european countries where these cells have had their 
best success in thriving/functioning.  Did it ever occur to you 
that maybe european nations have in-advertantly "funded" this 
crap.  How does it feel to know that these cells have been 
leeching off your societies, taking your welfare, using your 
commerce systems and other such things - diverting educational 
resources, medical treatments, etcetera from worthy peoples who 
deserve it - stealing from the deserved for hatred, terror, 
murder, slaughter, right under all the enlightened noses.

Maybe - just maybe the majority of their money comes from your 
countries - not ours. Maybe we gave them money - mistakenly, or 
maybe it was insignificant to the amount they make off their 
drug trade with your countries combined - who's to say?

Point is ... yeah, maybe we're fucked up maybe we're a lot of 
things, but maybe you need to look in the mirror first before 
casting your aspersions towards the US.  Your nations arent 
lilly white in this shit fucking mess either.

Well John, maybe nows a decent time to refute your earlier 
assertion that you doubt my reading of my favorite turd eating 
US traitor - Noam Chomsky.

http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyterror.html

Go here on an empty stomach only please.

Everyman ... ok lets pretend shall we - as that seems to be what 
Chomsky followers do best in their little dream worlds devoid of 
reality.

[pretend feature ON]

I bow to your vastly superior beleifs and deep intellectually 
centered understanding of the world, its inhabitants, and 
political complexities.  Only you elite few have the brainpower 
needed to solve this terror conflict.  I step aside and divert 
to your way of thinking.  Dreaming of socialism is so fun isn't 
it?

Now what?

All right, men, can't stick around any longer this morning.  
Gotta get to work and serve my country ... the Adult 
Entertainment Industry needs me! :)  Y'all have a nice Monday, 
and thanks for letting me hang out here for a while.

Good morning!  I'm off to read it. I have a good idea what I'll 
find, certainly-probably-exactly what you found.  I'll be back.

What percentage of Taliban extremist supporters from Pakistan 
have crossed over the border so far?  This required hold & wait 
stance by us is seemingly making for some media support 
fallout.  This negative reporting ain't about collateral damage 
(innocents).  It's about "no new news" to report.  Remember the 
media motto - "If there ain't news, make news."

John
E pluibus unum

"Did it ever occur to you 
that maybe european nations have in-advertantly "funded" this 
crap." 
Yes it has. There are groups all over the world. In the US, 
Europe, every where and thats why it wont help to hate the 
muslims or afghans. Because they are not solely behind it. It 
wouldnt wonder me if we soon found out that corruption was one 
of the main causes why Osama suceed in the wtc attacks., 
Finally, were not any better here down North. But then again I 
never said so. Opposed to what some Americans are doin.  

The european press, dear, are leftish at best and extremely critical of any action taken by 
their goverments whatsoever. 

They spend their precious texts steering clear of anything that reaks of something that 
MIGHT sound like conflict or discrimination . 

You see, after some weeks a colour photo of a wounded Afghan child on the cover of a 
newspaper moves people more than the smouldering leftovers of the WTC (regardless 
of the number of innocent deaths and the amount of misery done).

Hence the idea that fighting any war equals unjust violence or discrimination, even if it is 
being fought for a just cause.
This goes for the rest of Europe as well. At the same time, however, we try to be as 
cautious and diplomatic as possible to even the most sickest of regimes. 

We have a tradition of that kind of policy, being softliners at best. 
That's how the second worldwar started; by not recognising evil in the first place and 
reacting aptly.

Therefore nothing is clear in Europe as it is in your country. 
Therefore we tolerate people dancing and singing in our streets after the WTC bombing 
and prefer not to talk about it publicly. 
Therefore we see people on our TVs explaning us WE "made" these terrorists by our 
attitude and "degenerated behaviour".

Here at Radio Europe, we did not forget a civil case before a court in Bavaria some years 
ago: imagine a catholic school that's been taken to court by muslims, because it has 
crucifixes hanging in its' classrooms and they want those taken out...

Imagine what it must be like, to be old here in Europe, having indeed survived the 
second world war and maybe even fought in it.  And probably being grateful to the USA 
for coming in here.
You were young, you got your life back from them, your freedom and now you're having 
to put up with this crap.

  

Well Mr. Eagle,  Certainly the left has spoken.  Certainly these 
spoken words serve only to derail US policy of present and 
past.  Certainly much is fabrication or at a minimum expanded 
theory.  And certainly his agenda is viewable for all reasonable 
to see.  Of course like all viewpoints, some must be based on 
(some) factual evidence.  Much stated is true, unfortuanately.  
I, like most, care not to admit to oneself, the nation, or the 
world, the truthfulness of.  Do know, I personally disagree with 
Chomsky on most points.  What Chomsky dutifully fails to mention 
(as that would expose him for what he is) is our motive each 
time we acted.

An exercise of futility it would be for me disparage his words 
point by point, as he has so little support, today anyway.  I 
will utilize just a portion of truth to focus on our long term 
policy, hoping now it will be transform to medium term. 

As copied from Chomsky's speech:

--- if you look at say at the New York Times at the first op-ed 
they ran by Ronald Steel, serious left liberal intellectual. He 
asks Why do they hate us? This is the same day, I think, that 
the Wall Street Journal was running the survey on why they hate 
us. So he says "They hate us because we champion a new world 
order of capitalism, individualism, secularism, and democracy 
that should be the norm everywhere." That's why they hate us. 
The same day the Wall Street Journal is surveying the opinions 
of bankers, professionals, international lawyers and saying 
`look, we hate you because you are blocking democracy, you are 
preventing economic development, you are supporting brutal 
regimes, terrorist regimes and you are doing these horrible 
things in the region.' A couple days later, Anthony Lewis, way 
out on the left, explained that the terrorist seek 
only "apocalyptic nihilism," nothing more and nothing we do 
matters. The only consequence of our actions, he says, that 
could be harmful is that it makes it harder for Arabs to join in 
the coalition's anti-terrorism effort. But beyond that, 
everything we do is irrelevant.---

There is some truth here.  Which is it we promote?  The answer 
is both.  We suport the freedoms of Democracy in the region.  
And we support the blocking of democracy solely for stable oil 
shipment.  Unfortunately TRUE.

Saudi et al governments truly do suppress their populations, and 
we support them.  We do want and silently support democracy for 
them, but not at the cost of our freedom and our way of life.  
An alternative to the combustion engine will go a long way to 
freeing this part of the worlds population.  Many years away 
probably, but it will come to be.

John
E pluribus unum

John, did you like the AMERICAN BADASSES site? Will you be going 
back there?  Nice to see you there.  Sorry for cursing you out, 
but I am so filled with rage at all this shit...

No Prob

Cool site.  I've been popping in.

I still don't know quick way of getting there other than my 
favorite link.  For those wanting to visit, go 
to:  "www.Lycos.com"  and type in "AMERICAN BADASSES" 

John
E...

Please show me where I bashed the marines .
I'm sure somehow you misunderstood or missread my 
post.

Thanks---we'll talk after you return from work.
Have a good day. :-)

Taliban reporting thousands of wild rabid dogs roaming streets 
of Kabul, biting people.  No vaccine available.              .

.          Even the animals have turned against these evil men.

John
E...

I love trees and all the blessings that God put on this earth.
I used that term(like others have) in the sense of 
"green-peace" radicals & peacenics--etc.
They hide behind trees---want the tree to take the 
bullet---don't want to fight for the good ol' U.S.A.---
they think the war on terrorism is fought and won by picking 
flowers and shoving 'em down gun barrels-----they'll only 
end up pushin' up flowers.

Animals know good & evil----.

We are searching high and searchin low, 
we will follow your tracks wherever you go
You cannot hide for ever you know
We will EVEN track you down in a blinding snow
and when we find you , please be assured
that we will bring you down you slithering turd.

We shall  make you pay for for what you've done.
You will never see another afghani sun.
As for the innocent lives that have been lost
It was YOUR JIHAD, AT ANY COST!

First, I gotta say to everyboy, I aint no hard guy, but I feel 
that we should have special designated smoking areas on this 
message board.  I have been having to deal with a lot of your 
chain smoking and the fumes are very irritating to me.  I only 
cum on here because I love you PRO USA people but the fact is, I 
am tired of some of you trying to grub cigarettes from me and 
ALWAYS having to buy the fucken coffee for the group.  
Goddammit,  I gotta buy the fucking Eight O CLock ground coffee, 
all the half and half which you people are guzzling by the 
gallons and not to mention the finger sandwiches and stella dora 
cookies.  Like I said, I aint no hard guy, but I am tired of 
people on this board grubbing cigarettes from me and people oout 
on the streets.  I DONT SMOKE ANYMORE and please make sure you 
are sitting near a window or in a smoke free room as the 
accumulated smoking from all of you makes me cough.  I aint no 
hard guy, but JOHN, you of all goddamned people should bring 
some of the eats once in awhile.  Make a hero sandwiches and 
Eagles and especialy YOU Spy should contribute as well.  I know 
this is not war related but I do think that you should all be 
considerate of your fellow pro Americans on here.  I also want 
to comment that DONALD TRUMP has not been heard from.  Has this 
cocksucker given a dime to New York?  Fucken imperialistic pig.  
Okay everybody go back to posting.  Just had to get a few things 
off my chest.  Also, someone on here is an alcoholic,  I am not 
naming any names but the BEER BREATH is also offensive as well.  
I feel management has done a fairly good job, but feel that if 
you are drinking or doing any dope you should wait until sober 
to post.  I LOVE ALL USA BUDDIES OUT THERE!   OVER AND OUT.

John;

I knew your big fat turd butt couldn't even fit on a bike, so the 
suggestion is this.  Let's take over Saudi Arabia and get all 
the oil we want.  We'll just send the Saudis over to Iraq to get 
gassed by AssDam HussiManiac.  

A little email I received:

[hope you enjoy]


During World War II, we had Tokyo Rose sending demoralizing 
messages to
our troops. During Vietnam, we had Hanoi Jane Fonda sending her 
treasonous
messages to our boys in Southeast Asia, while aiming the 
Communists'
cannons at them.

And in this War Against Terrorism, we have Congresswoman Cynthia
McKinney, D-Ga., - Jihad Cindy - to demoralize us and give aid 
and
comfort to the enemy.

McKinney has a strong record of hating America. During the 
recent U.N.
World Conference Against Racism, she attacked the U.S. with the 
rest of the
Arab world (now our "moderate" partners in the "Coalition Against
Terrorism") and Third World republics in her push for slavery 
reparations,
saying the
White House is "just full of latent racists."

But her latest set of actions are the most outrageous.

Take McKinney's pandering letter to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin 
Talal, in
which she apologized for the valorous actions of New York Mayor 
Rudy
Giuliani.  Talal, nephew of Saudi King Fahd, recently visited 
New York to
see the
World Trade Center remains and gave Giuliani a $10 million check 
for relief
efforts. Then, the prince released a statement full of moral 
equivocations,
rationalizing the murder of 6,000 innocent Americans and blaming 
U.S.
foreign
policy, "suggesting" it be changed.

It's hard to ignore a $10 million dollar suggestion, no matter 
how
ridiculous and immoral.

But not for the valiant Giuliani. In the highest act of moral 
and civic
courage, he promptly returned the check with a statement: "There 
is no
moral equivalent for this attack. The people who did it lost any 
right to
ask
for justification when they slaughtered 5,000, 6,000 innocent 
people ...
Not only are those statements wrong, they're part of the 
problem." Giuliani
is
an American hero.

Back to the American villainess. Last Friday, McKinney, in a 
ludicrous
letter, apologized to the prince for Giuliani's actions, accusing
Giuliani of denying the prince's "right to speak and make 
observations about
a part
of the world you know so well."

Huh?

Nobody denied the prince's speech rights - which nobody in his 
country,
Saudi Arabia, has, by the way. He made his statement without 
being tortured
to death, a la Middle-Eastern civil liberties.

But McKinney is right about one thing: The prince and his family 
know
that part of the world well - which is why, according to New 
York Times and
Wall Street Journal reports, there is significant evidence that 
the Saudi
government had their hands in the attacks and that they tacitly
continue to support Osama bin Laden through his family, which 
lives
comfortably in
Saudi Arabia and hasn't cut their brother off.

McKinney's letter was so disgusting, even her Georgia Democratic
colleague, Senator Zell Miller called it "disgraceful" and 
denounces her on
his
website.

Not only did McKinney agree with the prince's "remarks," but in 
her own
shameful moral equivocation, she attacked America because, "Your 
Royal
Highness, the state of Black America is not good." McKinney 
wrote,
"There are many people in America who desperately need your 
generosity,"
making
the false assertion that a black baby born in Harlem has a worse 
life
expectancy than one born in Bangladesh.

No, Cindy, America does not need Saudi "generosity." The Saudis 
need
ours - like the generosity we gave in the Gulf War, saving the 
prince's
shaky
monarchy from being exiled to a Swiss chalet, while his country 
became
a province of Iraq. And look what we've gotten in return - a 
royal slap
in the face, aided by Jihad Cindy. I guess McKinney forgot the 
life
expectancy
of blacks in the Muslim Arab world, including Saudi-aided Sudan, 
where two
million black Christians were savagely murdered and where 
millions more are
enslaved, tortured, maimed and raped.

McKinney's new buddy, Prince Alwaleed, is the sixth richest man 
in the
world, according to Forbes. Giuliani showed him that even the 
wealthiest of
scoundrels cannot buy respectability with their blood money. 
Unless
they're buying Congresswoman McKinney.

And her price is very cheap, apparently. She was the headliner 
at the
Oct. 7 fundraising dinner for the Council on American Islamic 
Relations, a
Muslim terrorist front group that has been hanging out with 
President Bush a
lot lately.

In exchange for her revered status with this and other radical 
Islamic
pro-terrorist groups, McKinney has attempted to stop 
congressional
investigations into them and the WTC attacks.

At an Oct. 3 House Committee on International Relations Hearing 
on
al-Qaida and the Global Reach of Terrorism, McKinney had a 
temper tantrum
when
Oliver "Buck" Revell testified. Revell, associate director of 
the FBI in
charge of Investigative and Counter-Intelligence Operations from 
1985-1991,
attempted to show segments of the 1995 documentary, "Jihad in 
America."

McKinney wanted to censor it, so that Americans watching on C-
SPAN
would not see evidence of the extensive Muslim terrorist network 
in America
documented in the film, including that of Islamic Jihad front-
man and
University
of South Florida Professor, Dr. Sami Al-Arian. No complaints 
from her
about denying Revell's right to speak.

We're in the middle of war. But atop her tax-funded website, 
alongside
a photo of her in leopard-print accents, are "news briefs," 
including
"COINTELPRO: The Untold American Story," an attack on the U.S., 
which
she and the Black Caucus presented to the U.N. World Conference 
Against
Racism.

Hello! - COINTELPRO took place under Nixon, three decades ago. 
And the
victims cited in this 78-page diatribe by America-hating 
leftists Noam
Chomsky and Howard Zinn are guys like Dhoruba Bin Wahad aka 
Richard
Moore, a Black Panther who machine-gunned police officers, and 
convicted
cop-killer Mumia Abu Jamal.

Echoing her friend, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan, 
whom
she's refused to denounce, McKinney's website demands evidence 
against Osama
bin Laden and the Taliban.

During wars in lands far away, Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane were bad
enough.  But now the war is on our homefront. And so is Jihad 
Cindy.

Fuck Her - Down with the Bitch

Couldn't drive to work today because I'm shaky and miserable.  
Bummer.  I love my job.

Anyway...

Radio Europe, thank you for your post.  It seems that 
sensationalism is not just a uniquely American experience.  I 
hope that tomorrow brings a more tempered fanfare of 
journalism.  I'd certainly like to see Britain's government's 
response to those papers (perhaps they've already responded - I 
haven't been to the online press sites yet).

Spy, it warmed my heart to see the sweeter side of you.  I'm 
glad you like trees, too! :)  I know what you mean about flower-
bearing pacifists (can anyone say Berkeley?), but then there are 
people like me, who would not only climb a tree to save it from 
being cut down, but also bring some SAMs up there with me to 
preserve the land it's planted in!  And hell, if I need to be on 
the front lines instead, I'll plant more later.  It's a matter 
of priorities and not simply being on one side of the tree or 
the other -- sometimes we can be on both sides.  But when it 
comes to certain situations (like this one), you won't find a 
pacifist bone in my body.

(By the way, my mom went to Berkeley college and I do have 
some "normal" friends who live there, so I'll try hard not to 
bash them too much!)

With regard to QueEs... here's part of his post from earlier:
From: Que Es 
To: Missin'. *A*, Spy 
Date: Mon Oct 29 04:33:13 2001 
Message:
Well said to Missin' and *A*, and others that I do not know!  Hi 
ya cuzz!  Semper Fi!!!
*******************************************
Later you told QueEs "Good Riddance"

HOWEVER....

I need to apologize to you, Spy, because I was thinking of the 
wrong person when I read the posts this morning.  I know who 
CUZZ is, who posted earlier (and how would anyone here know 
this), and I happen to know that he is a very goodhearted Marine 
(former).  I know who QueEs is, but I'm not sure if he was 
actually a Marine or not.  I saw "Semper Fi" up there and 
automatically associated it with CUZZ.  It may have been that 
QueEs was throwing that out as a respectful greeting to CUZZ, or 
it may have been two Marines sharing their greeting.  Please 
accept my apology for my error.  It's easy for me to get bitchy 
when one of our military is blown off, but this was my mistake.

Going to make myself some tea now...

Eagle, who wrote that piece you posted about Cynthia McKinney?  
Do you know?  I know you said it was an email you received, so 
perhaps you don't know.  If you can supply me with a source or a 
web site, I'd really appreciate it.  It looked like authentic 
info the way it was written, but it would be interesting to find 
out if it's absolute truth or if there is more to the story.  
It's just hard for me to believe that someone in any U.S. office 
would behave that outrageously.  And I think Mayor Rudy did the 
PERFECT thing by handing that check back.  There's another 
person who's way up on my Respect List.

P.S.
Justice USA, I'll make the coffee if you don't want to.  I make 
excellent coffee, nice and strong.  Congrats on quitting smoking 
(something I plan to do next month), but for now you're just 
gonna have to put a fan on your desk, 'cause I ain't moving.

A realy good muslim don't lie ---> Talibans lies at every word.
If you are a muslim read about  [3.78]  [9.107] [16.105] and 
their punishment is in [9.90], [9.107].

Talibans lies:
> We don't know where is bin ladin, it's a lie.
> Women are impure for muslim, it's a lie (read about curan!)
> bin ladin has no link with terrorism, it's a lie.
> Women are not equal for muslim, it's a big lie (read about 
curan)

The problem is not the curan the problem are mens and a culture 
that seems to have not evolve in 6000 years and some people that 
pervert the sense of religious books. 
To understand a book you must read and understand the whole, not 
a part of it.
If wou take a verse out of the context you can say that you want 
with it.

The letter that Jihide Cindy wrote to the Saudi prince is 
definately for real - it was read aloud on Larry Elders show 
weeks ago .... the pandering groveling traiterous "C" word 
[being that your a lady - minor restraint ...]

The other stuff - well the research is underway.  If I can fit 
that in - will advise - I doubt I will spend too much effort on 
the bitch.  Any POS linking themselves to the other fucking puke 
Chomsky - is a plain waste.

Nuff Said

Oh my virgin ears!
Ah am jus' blushin pure red, you rogue!

Took me a while to locate - my search terms on Asta LaVista were 
a bit off ......  I was trying to get something other than 
Timothy McVeigh and WACO/ATF|BATF rants.

Some things there were provocative.  Maybe when I get more time.

Justice,

In honor of that murdering swine bastard Usodoma bin Lucifer - I 
brought us American / Costco sized portions of the following:

BBq'd Pork Chops, Pork rhinds, Carnitas Tacos, Farmer John 
Bacon, and perfect Pork Loin prepared by Emeril - for the Towel 
e Baaaaam!

On the coffee side - Ive since denounced Arabica grinds - 
sticking solely to the South American blends now. Me no mo pay 
for Jihide.  Me and all my evil Amellican dolla shall be wiser.  
And I just returned all my Chineese made birthday gifts.

Me luv petrol tooo much to return that tho.

At 8:45, on the eleventh of September,
Started a tragidy, we all will remember.
    When cowardly terrorists, hijacked some planes,
What were hey thinking? Are they insane?
    The first crashed down, in New York City,
North Trade Center Tower, an immense atrocity!
    To add to it all, at 9:03,
The other tower was struck, for all to see.
    At 9:43, they they hit the pentagon,
Now all are thinking, whats going on?
    When 10am, came around,
Another plane, hit the ground.
    Southeast of Pittsburgh, was number four,
You fucking bastards! Now this means war!
    Back to New York, at Ground Zero,
People tried, to be a hero.
    But unfortunately, many died,
And friends and family, they all cried.
    So hees to you, Mr. Bin Laden,
You're gonna pay, no use in hidin'.
    

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649243.asp

------------------
Should Americans buy  Made in Pakistan  to be patriotic? That s 
the message some U.S. retail groups are pushing. Half of 
Pakistan s foreign trade goods are shirts, sheets, soccer balls 
and textiles, and many of that is exported to the United States. 
If U.S. companies backed out of Pakistan, fearing the current 
wartime climate, as many as 3.5 million Pakistanis could be put 
out of work, some trade groups have argued.
-------------------

So ... I wonder what happens when AMERICANS [ the warpigs, 
resource pigs - as some enlightened ones would call us ] start 
reading labels again ... looking for that ol familiar - "Made in 
the US of Fucking A"?

If it has this kind of effect on Pakistan ..... ohhh my - 
wouldnt all those economies just be sooooo peachy.

burn.burn.burn.....

Okay, feeling a little better and decided to check out the 
American Badasses board.  I don't think I've been to a message 
board community like that before, but I went ahead and got 
myself an account anyway.  Aside from the cool little pictures 
there (I especially liked Osama in a tutu), is there a 
particular thread that's more interesting or worthwhile to look 
at?  Unfortunately my computer is pretty slow, and I'm hoping 
for someone to lead me through the mud.

By the way, I discovered this is at www.ezboard.com and the 
board I.D. is bmomslettingloose, if that helps anyone.  I doubt 
this board lets us use HTML, but I'll give it a shot... <a 
href="http://pub56.ezboard.com/bmomslettingloose">American 
Badasses</a>

There are no previews here, so what I post is what I get.  Here 
is the URL I have for that place if the link doesn't work and 
you wanna copy and paste in your browser: 
http://pub56.ezboard.com/bmomslettingloose

Hey ... I just read an earlier post - I think I love your job 
too! Hehehe.  Pure entrepreneurship - what a great country eh?

Anyone got any thoughts or comments as to why we may not be 
blowing the living shit out of the front lines - with 100% 
ability.

Maybe we are, as John hinted, letting more suicide lovers of 
martyrdom come over from Pakistan to get slaughtered ... or 
perhaps the infra red guidance systems will work so much better 
against white blanketed background?

Don't wanna burst your bubble, Eagle, but I'm not actually *in* 
the adult industry (though it has been offered, ha!).  I'm an 
assistant administrator for a non-profit organization that 
supports and educates and tests (HIV, STDs, etc.) people who 
work in the industry, and even 'civilians' who aren't in the 
industry but who are engaging in risky behavior.  But I'm 
looking at beautiful bodies all day long (yawn) and work with 
some incredible people.  My boss was a porn star for 25 years.  
What more could a person want in the home of the free??  
heeheehee

Regarding the front lines (in Pakistan/Afghanistan, I assume you 
mean), I think we should take advantage of the people walking by 
in droves.  I really need to get up on the news today.  I have 
CNN on now -- switching between that and CNBC and MSNBC -- to 
try to find out if there's any new info on the latest threats, 
but it seems like it's the same thing we had before... nothing 
specific, just "be alert."  I don't know about anyone else, but 
I've BEEN on alert for over two months!

I'd like to know all of your opinions (okay, MOST of your 
opinions) on the idea that the U.S. might delay bombing during 
Ramadan.  I try to equate it to another country stopping their 
bombing on us during Christmas break.  Is it showing that we are 
not involving ourselves in their "Holy War" by respecting the 
peaceful Muslims or is it showing that we are just giving in to 
the idea that it's a Holy War, as some caller suggested on Matt 
Drudge's show?

"Whoa----I thought we were friends."
"See ya at yhe casino---"

I hope y'all are equally as pissed as I am that the Taliban are 
using Mosques and cities to hide in, so the civilians are being 
used as human shields.  Talk about cowards!  America has HONOR 
and INTEGRITY, totally unlike those cowards who will step on 
their own babies' heads to save their own yellow butts.  At 
least America has the DECENCY to respect innocent lives!  Thank 
God we have something worth fighting for.  I don't know why 
those lemmings want to cross the border to fight for a psycho... 
what do they have to gain from it?  Virgins after death?  What 
did the poor virgins do to deserve that?

We know, Hungry, we know...

But still, it's all there, do you even have a hint what Q'u Ran 
has to say about  Christians, Jews and Infidels in general, 
for that matter...

And now it's being used by radicals (love that word, don't 
you)  worldwide to call innocents to kill other innocents, 
while living like "sheiks" themselves, playing wars for the 
simple fun of it and sitting on billions of dollars.

We, at Radio Europe, are very normal and rational people, 
we observe the world and Europe in particular.

We are very scared by Islam, and until Islam itself 
eliminates the bad muslims you pointed out so prolificatly in 
your posting, we continue to do so. 

You see, anyone who kills thousands of people in the name 
of god makes us extremely cautious of who this god might 
be and what exactly he wants, according to his followers.

At R-E we consider ouselves as being true Europeans, this 
editor is from french, prussian jewish, flamish forefathers.

This editor never saw one of his grandfathers for the sake of 
racial and religious hatred.

We are sorry for you, but we have a hard time believing...


Good night again, love you all.

You call youselfs religious ha ha what a joke! Where in the 
koran does it say to by and sell stocks?  OR how about Las Vegas 
did you bow to the east form the flamingo you assholes You are 
the new nazi party and should be eliminated. You say jihad but 
why don't you call it what it is. You are murderers and cowards 
and  your time will come to to meet God. Hey towelhead Can you 
tell me where to get some heroin? Oh thats right thats part of 
the koran too lets grow poppies and make heroin. In the name of 
alla I want to be a drug dealer What bullshit! Hey did you guys  
get a share of the stock profits! I think not while most of your 
people are eating bark form trees some one maybe the great mulla 
is wolfing down a nice steak ha ha you people really are 
unbelivebly stupid. Next time you get on your knees I hope the 
great mulla shows you just what he is really doing to all of 
your people----giving it to you up the ass 

"Festival"

There is snow on the ground,
And the valleys are cold,
And a midnight profound
Blackly squats o'er the world;
But a light on the hilltops half-seen hints of feastings 
unhallow'd and old.

There is death in the clouds,
There is fear in the night,
For the dead in their shrouds
Hail the sun's turning flight,
And chant wild in the woods as they dance round a 
Yule-altar fungous and white.

To no gale of earth's kind
Sways the forest of oak,
Where the sick boughs entwin'd
By mad mistletoes choke
For these pow'rs are the pow'rs of the dark, from the groves 
of the lost Druid folk.
                 
And mayst thou to such deeds
Be an abbot and priest,
Singing canibal greeds
At each devil-wrought feast,
And to all the incredulous world shewing dimly the sign of 
the beast.

typical You probably live in a mud house and ride a donkey to 
the poppy fields. So lets see if I have the picture, your making 
heroin you and your family and its time to take a break Daddy 
Towel head says hey I have a good Idea lets stone a women to 
death just for fun, but don't forget to make sure her beekeepers 
hat doesn't come off.  And some one who is an even bigger 
asshole comes along and says hey I have a good Idea! Why don't I 
get you a plane ticket and you crash youself into a building 
I've never seen that happen before. With a big toothless grin 
you say in a heroin induced murmmur that sounds good to me. And 
off we go Hey how about a car crash I have a car thats got your 
name on I've never seen anyone up close crash a into a tree. 
Come on you people have got to have a brain the size of a 
anthrax spore. It is amazing to the world just how stupid you 
and your kind are.  Hey do yo think that hier Osama lives in a 
mud house or rides a donkey? You Probably belive that to  asshole

Baaaam   Baaaam    Baaaam    


Tell er this  -  Blank you!
They let just about anyone on the Internet, huh?  Who turned it 
on?


Starbucks Tomorrow.  Leave your preference and $4 with the 
moderator please.  I'll pick it up on the way in.

Bomb scare down my street today.  I asked a road blocking 
cop: "bomb device or biological threat?"  He didn't know.  Just 
said: "they're waitin for the experts."  It may not be long 
before I start ranting/raving like some of my brethren here.  
(Who's he talking bout, me?)  Seriously, this terror shit 
works.  But only for a bit.  In reality it only will stregthen 
my and our resolution to destroy the threat.  If they hit us 
again, the gloves do come off.  And if I'm talking like this... 
(and you kinda know how I feel about "innocents" and all)  blah-
blah-blah.  I can't say it.  But I'm thinkin it.

I know what to do in event...  My plans and purchases have been 
made.  Anyone want a list of anti-terror/emergency preparation 
tools - email me at my "dead-email address" - 
johnnygee27@hotmail.com (dead email address means I don't use or 
plan to use, so if it's filled with spam or anti-john email, 
I'll just shut it down, hell it's free account).

John
E pluribus unum

You "Sir"-- was the ONE that reminded me of "dogs" a few 
weeks ago or so --something I knew several years ago, but 
forgot in this batlle--until you came on board.
ie:  dog=god(quablalististic)

Be strong and be true--eagle eye & I are here to suport you 
and our cause------and so are many others; the rest can go 
to "something" or "somewhere else"(hey--I didn't swear for 
all you other martyerfuckers)

GOD BLESS

   

(excuse spelling mistakes please)

"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my 
name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many.  You 
will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are 
not alarmed.  Such things must happen, but the end is still to 
come.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.  
Mat.24 1-7

Then, you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, 
and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  At that 
time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate 
each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many 
people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most 
will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be 
saved.  Mat 9-13

"Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my 
name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many.  

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you 
are not alarmed.  Such things must happen, but the end is still 
to come.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."  
Mat.24 1-7

"Then, you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to 
death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  At 
that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and 
hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive 
many people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of 
most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be 
saved."  Mat 9-13

O'K, the Christian brought the Bible up by quoting verses.  If 
he can, I can too.


I've actually been thinking for days whether or not to share 
this information.  I've decided yes.  I don't want to possibly 
leave anybody out of the loop.

If you own a bible go get it now.

Please open to St Matthew, Chapter 24, Verse 14 (read in 
entirety - before and after verse 14).   Take note that the type 
is in a different color - signifying direct quotes of Christ and 
not words of St Matthew.

Matt 24:14   "And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached 
in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall 
the end come."

Now open to St Mark, Chapter 13 (read in it's entirety paying 
attention to Verse - 10 thru 30)  Exact duplicate message of St 
Matthew 20 pages prior.

Now why am I pointing this out?  I hardly consider myself a 
regular church goer.  Most of us probably had opportunity to 
view the church service from National Cathedral in the days 
following the attack.  At this service - clerics from nearly all 
the world's faiths preached the gospel, including the Reverend 
Billy Graham.  This service was broadcast and translated to 
native languages "worldwide" on "EVERY" radio and "EVERY" 
television station the world over.  For the first time in the 
history of mankind the Gospel was preached to all the world for 
a witness unto all nations.

---->        hmmm.   ...as I scratch my head

Now, if you haven't gotten your bible yet, go get it. If you 
don't have one go check into a hotel.

John
E pluribus unum 

Hey mom,
those neighbors i was telling you about, the ones with the 
pillows on their heads, they're doing some really strange things.
I think they ate Miss Lucy's cat--i saw one of them lure it into 
their house with a piece of fish and it has been missing ever 
since.
When me and Jeff passed their house the other day there was a 
real bad smell and they never put out any trash on trash day.
They drive an old ford pinto that has a bent wheel and a cracked 
back glass.  They always have a evil look on their faces.
Some of my friends are planning to egg their house on holloween, 
but Sammy says his dad told him that somebody should run them 
out of town because they might be talibans. Are there any 
talibans in this country?
Jeff got a new BB gun for his birthday and he shot the tall one 
when they drove by his house, it hit him in the neck and he ran 
up on the curb and turned around and started yelling in a 
different language real loud so Jeff shot him again, this time 
he hit him in the privates and he fell down and started rolling 
around on the ground.  He kept yelling and it was giving me a 
bad headache so i grabbed Jeff's gun and pumped it 32 times and 
shot him right between the eyes and then Jeff kicked him in the 
head and told him if he didn't shut his mouth he was going to 
call the police on him.  Well the guy shut up and kept saying no 
police, please, no police.
Perty soon, all the kids from the neighborhood started showing 
up and someone grabbed a garden hose and we started wetting down 
the guy with the cloth wrapped around his head.
Then Jimmy started pissing on him and when the guy started 
yelling again Jimmy pissed in his mouth. Then he grabbed Jimmy's 
leg and Dave's dad came running out of his house with a bottle 
of beer in one hand and a baseball bat in the other.  He told us 
kids to look the other way, but we looked any way, and then he 
tore off the guys dress and stuck the beer bottle in the guys 
rectum and then he swung the baseball bat like he was Babe Ruth 
or something, and when he hit the bottle with the bat it just 
disappeared into the funny mans rectum. But he didn't think it 
was funny, he started calling for al or someone, i couldn't 
understand what he was saying. Then Jimmys dad got real mad and 
kicked the man in the teeth and knocked a bunch of them out.
Mickle pratt found a dog turd on the lawn so he picked it up 
with a stick, and when the funny man opened his mouth, Mickle 
put the dog turd in his mouth and Jimmys dad yelled at Mickle 
and said "No, that's not the way you do that you idiot" and he 
grabbed the stick and it still had part of the turd on it , and 
he crammed it all the way down the mans throught into his 
stomach and then he said "Here ya fuckin raghead, I'll give you 
something to wash that down with" and he started pissing all 
over the mans face. Then a cop car pulled up and we started to 
run, but the cops told us to stop in the name of America so we 
came back. They talked to Jimmys dad for a while and then one of 
the cops said "I think we better mace him down" and the other 
one said "good idea" and they started spraying something in the 
funny mans face--I think it was to clean off all the piss and 
shit but it made the man call for his friend Al again, so one of 
the cops told him to shut his dirty mouth and when he just kept 
yelling for Al, the cop shot him in the knee with a riot gun. 
Then another cop car pulled up and two more cops got out and 
started hitting the man with their sticks. When they searched 
the mans pockets they found a picture of bin laden and then the 
mans friend or brother came running up yelling in that funny 
language and the big cop hit in right in the face and knocked 
him to the ground and then they sprayed that stuff on him too.
Then Jimmys dad said "Hey does anybody need to shit or piss 
while we have these public toilet available?" and all the cops 
started laughing and one of them got on the radio and said "this 
is twenty eight, we have uncle bins cousins here on eighth 
street, need some back up units" and perty soon there was cops 
all over the place and one guy was selling tickets and they all 
lined up to piss on the funny men and kick them and spray them.

And a cop asked stevee what kind of dog he had, and stevee said 
he had a pit bull, and the cop said perfect, go get him and i'll 
give you a five dollar bill. So stevee got the dog and the cop 
took him by the leashe and started saying to the men "tell me 
where ben laden is or i'll let the dog go", then the dog broke 
the leashe and bit off one of the mans penis and then took off 
the other mans nose and ear. perty soon Mrs. liliadaul came out 
with a garden rake and stuck it deep into the mans ass who got 
his dick bit off by stevees dog and then Mrs. Johnson came out 
with her husbands new sears chain saw and started cutting off 
the other mans leg and one of the cops made her stop because he 
said it looked like she was having too much fun and he didn't 
think she should take all the fun away from the children. So he 
let all of the kid try out his taser gun on the funny men and 
then stevees dog pissed on them.
Anyway, the cops said that the men were too filthy to put in the 
police car so Mr. Johnson offered to pull them to the jail 
behind his four wheeler and he went real slow so us kids could 
keep hitting the funny men with Mr. Johnsons golf clubs. By the 
time they got to the jail the men quit yelling so much, even 
after stevees dog latched on to the one mans crotch and wouldn't 
let go, he just kept biting and jerking his head back and forth. 
I think they had to call a vet to put the dog to sleep cause it 
wouldn't let go.
Anyway the cops said that our neighborhood is safe again and he 
told us to report any people who look or talk like those two 
funny men.Good night mom!

Just checking in...watching the clock slowly tick by as my 
eyes grow ever more bloodshot. What this war has 
accomplished for me is to keep me awake waaay longer 
than I want to be. I'm totally not worried about going about 
my daily life, but I have an insatiable desire to know what is 
going on.

I want to see the Taliban gone!!! I am too impatient. I want to 
do it myself, but I am too chained down. Let's all be ready to 
fight when we need to and die when its our turn. 

When the walls start melting and the floor stays cold, just 
duck and cover. The world might be habitable as a 
microwave oven. It's too bad there are so many stupid 
people...everywhere. I think this is kindof a worthless post, 
but I'm tired and losing my mind so I'll post anyway. Still fun 
to read eagle and john's postings. Fear not! Just be ready to 
die. I liked the Christian's post...s/he's ready to go. I think I 
am too, but I don't know if Jesus really wants such a lunatic 
as a friend. The more I look, the lower the sky seems - day 
by day. Man, it's easy to fly a kite underwater. 

I hear Afghanistan is a really windy place...I wonder why 
none of their leadership ever invested in wind turbines? 
Turbans in the wind... wheeee. Anyway, I guess they're just 
stupid by omission of education. A lot of people are going to 
die...most of them will deserve it too.  I want it to be over 
soon, but if it isn't, perhaps I will get the chance to be a 
freedom fighter. Anyone ever play with transformers? they're 
neat...they infiltrate by looking like people, then turn into 
weapons...an insidious trick.  Bunch of bastards! I broke all 
my toys cause I didn't trust them.  

I hope that when this issue's gone (I'll see you when your 
clothes are on...) that people can remain unified and learn to 
trust and be trustworthy. I can't stand dishonest people.  
Anyway, too bad that Care? person never showed up 
again...too humbled I guess - that is a good thing. 

Nock off a few branches and a person might blossom. 

Ummm... by the way, what are we supposed to do when 
we're on heightened alert (re: Ashcroft)? I guess maybe 
they're just covering their butts so they can say, "told you 
so...".  I guess if anyone out there see's someone with a 
suitcase who is having a very difficult time moving it, call the 
cops. Uranium is heavy stuff. That's what I'm concerned 
about, I don't want my fellow Americans to have to die even if 
I don't care whether or not I do. Nuclear war freaks me out. 

Well, that was entirely too long and senseless. Sorry if I 
wasted anyone's time who read this thinking (ha!) that there 
would be anything of value in the message. God bless 
everyone.

Hey Spy,

The dog references I recommended was to antaganize sleeper cells 
to post to the board.  There is no lower beast than the dog, so 
believes the the radical muslim.

Usama Bin Dog Laden
Tali-Dog-Ban
al Dog Quaeda
Islamic-Dog-Jihad
Hez-Dog-bollah
Ha-Dog-Mas

Thanks for the earlier encouragement Spy.

John
E pluribus unum


"Venting never closes on the Afghan 911 Board"

"If they hit us 
again, the gloves do come off.  And if I'm talking like this... 
(and you kinda know how I feel about "innocents" and all)  blah-
blah-blah.  I can't say it.  But I'm thinkin it."

Well John .... I must say your approach has begun to resinate 
with me a bit more, and we are on the same side - I hope you 
realize that .. but something you said, or I sensed you feel 
from the above text ... makes me want to ask a couple of 
questions.

If they hit us again - the gloves do come off eh?  Once wasnt 
enough? That aside, lest I remind you:

Saudi Arabia - Marine Barracks  OBL takes responsibility
USS Cole - Yemen - 17+ Military Men Dead - OBL responsible
US Embassy Tanzania - 100's dead, 1000's mamed - OBL responsible
US Embassy Kenya - ive forgotten the exact numbers now - but OBL 
claims this too.
WTC Towers 3-4k vaporized/4 plane loads of people died a 
harrowing death.
There' more - too much more

So like ive said before to all .... Just what is it going to 
take people ? 100,000 dead?  5,000 across 20 europe and asian 
nations totalling 100k?  You guys draw your lines in the sand 
wherever you like - I drew mine at 1.

EagleEye
American - were watching ......

Mark,
you know better than to mistreat animals like that, Stevee's dog 
could have gotten sick from germs or something.
Tell Mrs. Johnson to call me, and behave yourself!

That was really sick.  The person who posted that cannot 
possibly be an American or love America or any of its children.  
Those are words and thoughts of a perverse and sorry excuse of a 
person.  I'm sorry I read it.

Apologies, I was speaking to "Mark" in my last post.  Sick 
bastard who has no sense.

Why I dont fall for the "Peaceful Muslim" bullshit.  The sneaky 
rat fucking bastards tricked us once before and capitalized on 
our pussy leadership and peacenic libs Politically Correct anal 
tongue dart ways.  Like Ive said before - I aint buying their 
laod a shit no more.  There's nothing peaceful to me about Louis 
Fucking Bastard Farrah-CON.  Do you people find him  .... 
peaceful.  Thats one arrogant, militant USA degrading piece of 
shit - I dont care if the fucker was fuschia - he's an oemeba in 
my shit.

read up on your Peaceful Muslim friends:

Dont say the Eagle Never told you ......

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649377.asp

NO MORE POLITCIALLY CORRECT PUSSY ASS BULLSHIT FOR YOU FUCKING 
MUSLIMS

Oct. 29    The politically incorrect view of Islam seems to be 
gaining momentum. In the wake of Sept. 11, the Bush 
administration had insisted that Islam is a peaceful 
religion,  hijacked  by a few extremists. Then, in a New York 
Times Magazine essay, Andrew Sullivan dissented. He acknowledged 
that there are moderate Muslims and that the Quran in places 
counsels mercy and tolerance.  But it would be naive to ignore 
in Islam a deep thread of intolerance toward unbelievers, 
especially if those unbelievers are believed to be a threat to 
the Islamic world.  He then quoted the Quran s commandment 
to  kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall 
find them. 

NOW A RECENT Washington Post essay seconds the motion that we 
look to the Quran for clues about modern Islam   and agrees that 
the clues are damning.  Scholars of the Koran assure us that 
nothing in the text commands the faithful to take up the sword 
against the innocent,  writes Michael Skube.  But, as the text 
makes clear, the sword is to be taken up   against those who 
deny Allah and his Messenger, against those who once believed 
but fell away, against foes of the faith, real or imagined. 

Get some shuteye, Exhausted.  You'll feel better in the 
morning.  I'm having a pretty crappy day myself, and I know how 
it feels when sleep is late in coming.  Keep your chin up... we 
need you.

tell you to take your meds.  "A+" for creativity dude.

Any homes for sale in your hood?  I need to spend my evil 
ammelican dolla's - since that binCifer fuck crashed the 
market.....  I need a nice end of the cul de sac spot with RV 
access for my V10 Excursion, a motorhome, boat and Sand Toys.  I 
love petroleum. I love filling up - thinking of a toothless 
Saudi peasant bent over, with the Royal jewels slappin his ALLAH 
worshipping dumb ass.

I love Monday Night American fucking Football, and Sam Adams the 
brewer, the Bad Ass fucking Patriot.

The Bible's Old Testament condemns adulterers (and some other 
types of sinners) to death by stoning.  I'm torn about this... 
first of all, there aren't many who would practice that today, 
even if they don't believe anything in the New Testament.  Then 
again, I'd love to be the one to take the first shot at my soon-
to-be ex husband.

So much for Tennessee.  Hasta la vista, baby.

.... about the stoning .. maybe so - I'll have to research that 
too, but I beleive you - that seems familar.

However; for followers of the Bible, New Testament -  does it 
not say Christ come to earth as the only son of God, and his 
death paid the ultimate price for those sins?  So if thats your 
faith - then the Old Testament laws no longer apply - isnt that 
the reason for Christ - cuz man couldnt hang by the "Law" and 
would have perished?

The point is - Christians no longer are held to the Laws of the 
Old Testament.  God changed with the times for Christians?  
Muslims still have their heads up Mohhameds ass circa 600 BC 
maybe ...?  What the hell do I know tonight ....

Sam Adams isnt speaking to me anymore ......

Eagle, I'm only going from memory here.  My head is a little 
achy and I'm feeling a bit cranky tonight -- so I guess this is 
the place to be, eh?  I haven't spent this much time online in 
quite a while!  But I do know that most Jews (other than 
reformed, or whichever group accepts the New Testament) still 
hold their faith on the Old Testament.

I would love to study the Koran, to know WTF I'm talking about 
rather than just guessing or relying on outside information.  
The only Muslims I've personally known in my lifetime have been 
more decent, caring, kind, compassionate people than many 
Christians I've known.  I don't know if I should attribute that 
to the religion or to the individuals, but these are devout 
Muslims who know more about the Koran than I know about the 
Bible after 20 years or so of Sunday School!  I'd be willing to 
bet that the Koran does not teach hate and violence.  After all, 
Islam and Christianity have the same roots and are supposed to 
be based on the same God.  There was a fork in the road 
somewhere along the way.  And many more have been killed in the 
name of the Christian God than some are willing to think about 
right now.

By the way, I'm not condemning or defending anything there.  
Just wish religion was completely out of the picture in this 
war.  Makes everything a little scarier, a lot more 
unpredictable.  Too bad there's not a chat function on this 
board.

Even though I am a Christian (though one who does not 
keep up his end of the relationship all the time), and I do 
indeed still love all these people, I believe that many are 
unwittingly following the anti-Christ. I know there are a lot of 
people who this might not matter to, but it only takes a little 
deception to be led into the wide road towards destruction. 

I guess what I agree with most is how Islam is not a religion 
of peace. I've only read the first 5 suras of the Q'ran, but I 
see passages about beating your wives and chasing down 
opposers of Mohammed and a lot of garbled stuff 
inbetween. Hence, I am very tired of the news saying that 
Islam is a religion of peace. I think Satan's most valuable 
tools are half-truths, and I see no shortage of those in the 
Q'ran (sorry Muslims, but I mean it). 

I think it is pretty wild that there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the 
world though. I can see why the "evildoer" Osama wants to 
succeed so badly in turning this into a war vs. Islam 
because unfortunately, we would be outnumbered, would 
have to use Nukes and then the world would pretty much be 
rubble. So I don't see the present times as a very good 
situation, but I'm not afraid of death and I want justice for my 
people (Christians and all other Americans). 

It is time to be realistic but also time for bed...oops.

I wish everyone a good night.

I hope you read this when you wake up, Exhausted (what shall I 
call you then? Rested??).  I know nothing about the Koran other 
than second or third-hand information, but I figure I'd be 
pretty surprised if I read the first 5 chapters of the Bible and 
thought people lived that way.  I'm glad you're reading it, 
anyway.

If 1.2 billion Muslims in this world believe that non-Muslims 
should all be put to death, then I think it would have been done 
by now.  I think a large percentage of the 1.2 billion are poor, 
starving, and don't have a very long life expectancy.  I also 
don't think that all Muslims are necessarily practicing Muslims, 
and it may be that there are as many offshoots as there are of 
the Christian religion, probably fighting among each other the 
way Christians/Catholics/Mormons/Protestants/etc. fight among 
each other.

Thanx for ur post... way above..

Nothing's happened yet.. still waiting for the right "link"..

I read ur post.. the one about the hunping soldiers in saudi. 
Many of these guys are gay, and that's there in the US as well, 
and I agree, it is sickening..

Still waiting.. Thanx for asking.. 

No-one seems to believe what I had stated earlier, except for a 
couple of people.. so let's see.

My email: Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com.. Check it out. It is my 
site, and my pics is there, in the Motorcycle Tour page.. BOOOtt 
OOOgly..

Peace...

You talk about a catholic school in Bavaria where a crucifix was 
being contested by muslims. According to my information it was a 
public school and in this case the muslims were absolutely right 
to demand the removal from the classrooms' walls. Just like I 
think their girls should not be allowed to wear the chador at 
school, by wearing it they are not only testifying their 
religion, but also rebuking our whole society. 
Schools are about education, not religion, especially the public 
ones, and since in Europe there is a choice to go to whichever 
school onelikes to go to, at least the public schools have the 
obligation to remain neutral, the crucifix exclusively being a 
simbol of the catholic church, not even of Christianity. 
I don't think American non-Catholic Christians would appreciate 
crucifixes in their childrens' classrooms.

this is going on in europe:
                  
                        www.radioislam.net

                        www.secularislam.com, by has been muslem


It's 900 AM GMT, time to end this broadcast....

Have a nice day

Yeah, THere is a lot that can be taken out of context. 
Although reading the first five chapters of the new testament 
saved my life.  I definitely need to read more, but I believe 
that the seeds are there for the violence that we see 
happen. I don't hate Muslims at all though, nor do I really 
hate anybody. I'm glad that you made the point though - I 
was getting a little bit off my rocker. I believe in evil though 
and still think that the Quran denies the Messiah using 
half-truths. Right now though, I think this should be a war 
about a country who was raped by AlQuaeda, not a war of 
Christians vs. Muslims (since I don't think Christians should 
have to fight to get their message across). 

Anyhow(re eagle's reply), Old testament law still applies to 
Christians, but since nobody is able to live by the law of their 
own power, Jesus is our atonement and the Spirit dwells 
within as a guide for our daily actions. That is the good 
news - that it is such a simple thing to do to know God and 
be brought closer to Him. That is also the message that 
Mohammed has taken away from the his followers. 

Anyhow, God still expects us to behave and show some 
respect for having created us. The Mosaic laws only begin to 
show how set apart God is. Jesus was born to fulfill the law 
- to make it complete. He just knew that we would need to 
see how we make God suffer every time we choose to sin. 

It bugs me a lot when we (Christians now) fight amongst 
each other for petty reasons when we'll only have to spend 
eternity together. I guess we'll have plenty of time to make 
up then. I know its hard to have faith in a world like this, but 
its a lot easier than the price of giving up. 

I think I need a vacation. I can't believe I have to get up for 
work in 4 hours. The inner conflict rages on. By nature I'm a 
pretty reactionary person, but by second nature I am very laid 
back and forgiving, so the bombing of the trade center did a 
number on me. I want to see them pay for their crime, but I 
want all to find forgiveness, so I find myself praying for those 
who are doing evil. In the meantime, my gut tells me we just 
need to keep the bombs falling until the Taliban topples.

Rock on. Hope you're not still awake...I'll be back tomorrow, 
probably just as exhausted (so I'll still use the name-got 
stuck with it.). 

First of all, we don' recall adressing you in the above 
mentioned post.

Secondly, we have been trying to decipher your posts for 
days, they go nowhere to us.

Then, if the parents do have the choice:  taking their children 
to schools that have a crucifx above the door or classrooms 
filled 80% with muslim youth, I think their choise is made..

For the Dutch part of your tandem. Seems the choice has 
been made in Nederland, too, hasn't it?
Isn't Holland the country of schools running empty, and 
being left with immigrant-children only, so their level is 
sinking to even lower levels?

It 's probably the likes of you that drive their kids to the other 
side  of the city to avoid the to be amongst immigrant 
children.

Then, Italy...  if these people are so apalled by a bit of 
christian folklore, than I  hope you do not listen. 
You  may have to tear nearly all of your buildings down  to 
stay neutral...

"The Neighborhood"

That's what Mark called his tale.  "The Neighborhood"  You see  
Mark is telling his mom about his neighborhood.  Mark's 
neighborhood has a family or two of Muslims.  These families 
have male bread winners who happen to wear turbins to signify 
their Muslin faith.  Mark dreams about prosecuting an atrocity 
upon the turban wearing Muslims who reside in "his" 
neighborhood.  Mark's tale is about beating these two men to 
bloody pulp.  At the near end (the completion) of Mark's ultra 
long tale, Mark wants to somehow justify the perpetrated 
atrocity by planting upon one of the victims person, a picture 
of Usama bin Laden.  Now do all readers feel better.  Before the 
picture was thrown in at the last moment you felt a little 
uneasy.  You weren't quite sure why, or if this Muslim man 
should be killed.  Good thing the fabricated last minute picture 
appeared, or else, or else, you would have been maybe a little 
darn upset.  Good thing for the picture.  Big Bad Mark beat-up, 
mangled, destroyed, effectively killed two men because they wore 
a turbin in his neighborhood.


John
E pluribus unum


PS -- If only Mark's mom had talked to Mark?

Now let's get back to F#@king destroying the ENEMY before they 
destroy us.  My Pakistani friend who sells me cigarettes is not 
the enemy.  There may be a sleeper who goes undetected for some 
time.  But ya know what, it's NOT my Pakistani friend who sells 
me cigarettes.  And if Mark kills him, even in his f@#king 
sleep, I'll send him straight to hell quicker then he can yell - 
MOM!!

John
E...

In Italy, the only American religious service to be seen on 
television in the days following the Twin Tower massacre was the 
one in New York City's St.Patrick's. I did'nt bother, but am 
100% sure that "Radio Vatican" only transmitted that mass (or 
service) from their radiostation. I'm sure the same kind of 
politics are used in a lot of countries, christian and non. 
Churches seem to be the only ones to profit from what has 
happened
A thing I don't like about religious in general is that they 
only advertise their own believes in a very unobjective way and 
the various churches are completely closed communities to each 
other. 
Religion stems from the tradition of a country and the thing 
people need most now is tradition and a safe feeling of "going 
back to the womb"; one of our first memories are those of some 
kind of religion inflicted on us, so this is a very easy thing 
to be taken advantage of in these days. I think it must be very 
easy at this moment to become another "Billy Graham": all it 
takes is intelligence, charisma and some information since 
people are so scared.  
When you are bored this can be an interesting game to play, I 
think it is very dangerous and dishonest. 
Of course the Islam, not only being a religion but also a 
political institution,is a totally different thing altogether; 
it not only tells its people to ignore and avoid other creeds, 
it actually teaches hatred towards them, all non Islamics are 
considered "Wrong-doers" and may be punished for that.  

I thought this was a free board for everyone to react,I only 
criticise incorrect information, when you tell a story you 
should not change important facts. Especially for a radio like 
yourselves this is not serious.
Maybe I am not as colourful as others on this board, I am still 
participating in the feelings most people have towards this 
crisis. Next time you see Holland/Italy, just skip the message, 
I only skip messages from people like Bob and Joe, I 
thinkanyone's elses viewpoint is interesting. 

HUS GA NAH NATIVE PEOPLES; THE TRIBAL LEADERS MUST DECLARE WAR 
ON GENERAL CUSTER BEN LADIN..REMEMBER OUR MOTTO,"IF YOU CANT 
BEAT THE WASHKISTAS(WHITES)JOIN UM."..WE RED STICKS HAVE THE 
HONOR OF BEING THE LARGEST NATIONALITY GROUP IN THE USA OF BEING 
VETERANS(PERCENTAGE WISE),83% WERE IN THE US MARINES.WE JOINED 
THE VARIUOS MILITARY SERVICES AS THERE WASNT TOO MUCH TO DO ON 
THE REZ AT THAT TIME.I.RA HAYES HELPED RAISE THAT FLAG ON IWO 
JIMA. i say restart the draft and any male under 50 who has not 
served in the armed forces, draft um, LET THEM EARN THEIR 
FREEDOMS.NUKE PART OF AFGANISTAN AROUND KABUL AND IRAQ TO 
BOOT.oR DOWN THE ROAD WE WILL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH WORST THAN WE 
HAVE NOW. AFTER ALL IN THE PAST THE ARMY WIPED OUT WHOLE TRIBES 
OF REDSTICKS AND SOME WERE INNOCENT TOO. ARM CHAIR WARRIORS GO 
AND ENLIST!  SAGAMORE LONGCAMP

hate never leads to a solution..........
amen

I spend a large amount of my(not very precious) 
time in Britain, Germany & other European countries because of 
my job. I have just arrived in London from Australia, & I'm 
sitting here looking at the daily newspapers, which I have to 
read as part of my job. When the bombing of Kosovo & Yugoslavia 
happened, I was based in Belgrade, & had the newspapers driven 
to me from Bulgaria. At first, the support for the bombing was 
astronomical. Tony Blair had the support of most of the British 
populace.
               After the first month, the newspapers started to 
wobble. There was criticism of the campaign, & people were 
questioning the methods involved. After that, There were no 
complaints, & although the bombing started to leave the front 
page, after the second month, there was less criticism. I was 
reading the Guardian yesterday, & on the comments & analysis 
section, there was a huge piece about why this war was wrong. 
The Guardian is an intensely socialist newspaper, with 
distinctly intellectual panderings. It is one of my favourite 
English newspapers, because the reporting is very good, even 
though you have to move everything two degrees to the right. 
Check out its website, at www.guardian.co.uk.
          The Mirror is another heavily socialist newspaper, but 
one which is easier to read, & is designed for the so-
called "working classes". Both these newspapers, & the 
socialists in England, are distinctly pacifist, & look for 
results after the first month. They do not have the patience to 
stomach a long war, & are thus the main voices of dissent. The 
Mirror isn't that much like the National Enquirer. The main 
English equivalent is called the Sun, & is right-wing & 
conservative. It has the highest circulation of any newspaper in 
England, & is more accurate in reflecting public opinion. It is 
pro-war & will stay so. It is a very important newspaper, & on 
several occasions they have been responsible for leading the 
government to moderate its stance.
               The Qu'ran does not forbid fighting during 
Ramadan. It actually says that many of its battles took place 
during Ramadan. In the Iran-Iraq war, both sides ceased fighting 
during Ramadan. It is certainly true that continuing the bombing 
will increase the voices of dissent from the Moslem community.
               If Ramadan was in the middle of August, it would 
be more vital, because the days are longer, & it is harder. But, 
we are talking about the month of November, when the days are 
not so long. During Ramadan, you think about the poor, & are 
supposed to be more holy & devout than normally. As this is a 
Jihad, a holy war, the Moslems will probably fight with greater 
intensity, as they will be doing their holy duty. Therefore, we 
should have no qualms about bombing during Ramadan. If, the 
coalition becomes vociferous in their complaints, as a courtesy, 
there should be no action during the day. But what will be 
interesting to see, is whether Bin Laden will conduct any 
operations, or send any anthrax letters during the month of 
Ramadan?

Sorry if my posts are too long & boring. I just like 
to talk, & this is a cool place to talk. Ty.

HUS GA NAH! I FORGOTTO ADD..." NEVER LEAVE AN ENEMY BEHIND." WE 
DID THAT IN IRAQ , AND NOW WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THEIR TUTANKA 
HOYA(BUFFALO SHIT).THEY ARE MESSING WITH BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS, 
NUKE UM AND BURN THAT HOYA UP. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.  SAGAMORE

It is opinions like these, which although 
they help us to understand what kind of a person you are, are 
responsible for giving Americans a bad name. I sincerely hope 
that you never enact the action mentioned above, because it is 
worrying. I know this is a place to vent, & maybe some people 
feel that I am a soft panzy-assed lefty, but I feel that that 
was a bit too extreme, & a fairly tasteless. If I'm wrong, let 
me know & I will apologise.

I am a british guy my dads fro algeria but I stillw ant 2 get a 
big gbomb and drop it on ur fuckin shit afghan country u paki 
bastards I'll shit on Bin Ladens grave when I've pulled out my 
glock and fuked him up 5000 people died in the wtc 5 000 000 
will die in the war agains muslims ur faith will be wiped off 
the face of the earth evry koran page shall be used 2 wipe a 
western mans arse then set on fire allah will fuckin recieve a 
cruise missile in his eye himself the paki god wanker and 
mohammeds grave will be a place for a new public toilet I 'll c 
2 it myself that I will wake up in the morning and no have 2 
smeell curry or hear Allah bin laden mudial pakis suck donkeys 
dic chanted now go fuck ur muthas and Allah 2 ahd ur donkey u 
afghani bastards plus go 2 this website www.allahlicksballs.com 
or www.superiorwhiteman.com?!!!!!!!stcik that in ur turban and 
wear it!!!!U.S.A, U.S.A
RULE BRITTANIA!!!!!!

> I think the events of 9/11 and the aftermath show that the
> Islamic religion has known sin. People of all faiths should
> take this as an opportunity to reflect on their religious
> teaching and consider this: religion is a human invention.
> Religion reflects human failings as well as human
> brilliance. What other conclusion is possible when we see
> atrocities committed in the name of God? A few examples:
> the Crusades, the Inquisition, Al Qaeda, slavery, human
> sacrifice, the caste system, Jerry Falwell, Jim Jones, infant
> genital mutilation, intolerance, children of holocaust
> survivors bulldozing Palestinian houses. Religion has failed
> humankind.  And why? Because religion teaches us to
> listen to an unanwserable authority and not to engage in
> rational thought. If you cherish life and wish for a better
> world, give up the practice of religion and instead cultivate
> your capacity for critical thinking. I think if any of the 
>great religious teachers of the past walked the earth today this
> would be their message: choose free will! After all, that's
> what Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, Moses, Krishna, and the
> rest all did. But without the brain engaged, the enlightened
> path hardens into sterile dogma or even worse. So
> everybody help out and start your own religion.  A religion of 
> free will. I promise you the answers will come.

10 DIRTY AFGHANS SITTING ON A WALL 10 DIRTY AFGHANS SITTING ON A 
WALL AND IF 1 U.S BOMB SHOULD ACCIDENTALLY DROP THERED BE NO 
SMELLY AFGHANS OR EVEN THE FUCKIN WALL!

John

I know----I know---
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Spy         

to friends:
don't ask me to sign up for accounts or request e-mails

to the enemy:
don't ask me to sign up for accounts or request e-mails

Simon, thank you for your post above.  It's refreshing to see 
your perspective and you have no idea how much I appreciate 
learning more about this.  I have a couple of questions to ask 
you that are unrelated to the conflict and as such are probably 
inappropriate here, so if you have the time and inclination, 
could you please drop me a line?  I have a hotmail address with 
the handle I use above.

Thanks again for your input.  I hope to see more of the same 
from you here, and when I have time I'll check out the site you 
gave.  Have you seen any reaction from Tony Blair or Parliament 
there in London regarding the (apparant) prevalent anti-war 
headlines there?

looking for some jack-o-lantrens for my front yard.
requirements: must be hacked off the shoulders of a 
terrorist.
I'll scoop out the "seeds of hate" myself and make the slits
for the light (from the candle I'll use) to shine through.

I haven't yet had the chance to peruse the news, but here is a 
bit on British government reaction that I found on my home page:

***************************************************************
Blair Set to Give Rallying Speech 
10/30/2001 7:52 AM EST  

LONDON (AP) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair is seeking to 
rally support for the war in Afghanistan amid signs Tuesday of 
public unease with the military campaign.

In a speech to the Welsh Assembly in Cardiff, Blair was to 
recall the events of Sept. 11 and re-explain why Britain is 
participating in the campaign, a spokesman said.

"We have not embarked on this lightly, we have embarked on this 
because there is no alternative to action, and we will see it 
through," the spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity.

The prime minister's deputies have accused the British media of 
unreasonable expectations for the U.S.-led air strikes and have 
urged the public to have more patience with the three-week-old 
war.
 
Blair's speech was expected to set the tone for a week of 
concerted diplomatic activity, which will see senior British 
ministers crisscrossing the globe in an effort to buttress the 
international coalition against terrorism.

Key Islamic allies have urged a pause in military action for the 
Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Sections of the Western media and 
public have expressed concern or revulsion over images of 
impoverished Afghan civilians killed and maimed by stray bombs.

While a majority of Britons still back the military effort, an 
ICM poll in The Guardian newspaper Tuesday showed a 12 point 
drop in support since Oct. 10 - from 74 percent to 62 percent.

The poll said 57 percent of the 1,000 adults surveyed between 
Friday and Sunday said they supported Britain's decision to send 
200 specially trained Royal Marines to join in ground attacks 
against the Taliban and al-Qaida, compared to 29 percent against.

A similar margin supported a halt in bombing to allow more 
humanitarian aid into Afghanistan. The poll said 54 percent 
agreed with calls by some aid agencies' for a pause, while 29 
percent said they did not.

Britain and the United States have rejected such a pause, and a 
top U.N. humanitarian official has said air strikes are not 
significantly disrupting the aid flow. Britain has said it is 
considering a military pause for Ramadan.

The ICM poll had a margin of error of plus or minus three points.

Very well summarized! However, when our troops start coming home 
in body bags THAT will be the acid test. There's no way around 
it, so far your country is the only one being attacked, hence 
your nation's understandable anger and resolve. But isn't it 
strange that despite the U.K.'s obvious tangible military 
support for you, we for some reason haven't as yet been 
targeted. Maybe those attacking you hope that the longer this 
continues, the more British public support will wane over time, 
espicially if OUR troops start dying and opposition pictures of 
innocent casualties (however few) keep coming in. I for one hope 
Britian does not become a fairweather friend to you and your 
country, you deserve more.    

I hope EagleEye doesn't mind if I copy and paste part of one of 
his previous posts...

"Saudi Arabia - Marine Barracks  OBL takes responsibility
USS Cole - Yemen - 17+ Military Men Dead - OBL responsible
US Embassy Tanzania - 100's dead, 1000's mamed - OBL responsible
US Embassy Kenya - ive forgotten the exact numbers now - but OBL 
claims this too."

There are a lot more murders in other countries that this 
terrorist network is responsible for, taking more than just 
American lives.  I think that BinLaden's group is targeting 
America and Americans most because of our military presence in 
the Middle East and our support of Israel.  (They must have 
forgotten our support of Afghanistan and the preservation of 
their religion by helping them fight the Russians.)  However, I 
think they would be perfectly content taking out anyone whose 
skin would crisp after too much time in the sun.  He doesn't 
even mind taking out his own followers to achieve his psychotic 
goals.

Thank you for your kind words to us, U.K. Citizen.

BRITAIN IS OUR ONLY REAL ALLY IN THIS STRUGLE. I AM NATIVE 
AMERICAN/WELSH ENGLISH DESENT.HONOR TO YOU BRITS.YET THE BRITS 
HAVE TO GO BACK TO BRITAIN AFTER 6 MONTH STAY IN USA.I WANT THIS 
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BRITAIN STOPPED. BRITAIN HAS HAD TO DEAL 
WITH THE TERRORIST IRA WHO IN PART ARE SUPPORTED BY SOME IRISH 
IN THE USA.THE IRA AND REPUBLIC OF IRELAND SUPPORTED AND HAD 
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH NAZI GERMANY DURING WW2 AND JOE 
KENNEDY WAS ALSO SUPPORTER OF GERMANY. NAZIS GAVE WEAPONS TO IRA 
DURING THE WAR AND MOST OF SPIES AGAINST ENGLAND CAME OUT OF 
IRELAND. IRELAND DID NOTHING IN DESERT STORM AND NOTHING IN 
AFGAN WAR. LIKE THE OL SOD SO MUCH? GO BACK. SAGAMORE THEONDOGA.

You've spouted "Jihad America" for as long as anyone cares to 
remember and you actually believed those words scared me? You 
know nothing of "Jihad" or "Holy War", but you will learn, this 
I promise you. You talk the talk, now watch me "America" walk 
the walk. I am coming for you and all of your "Bastard 
Followers", and I am bringing "Hell" with me. 
You think you know what "War" is, we'll just keep thinking 
because you know "Shit". You have awakened the "Beast" and it 
will be the last mistake you ever make upon this earth.
You like to idea of "Suicide"? Good ! then you won't mind when I 
help you along.
You didn't know when to leave things be, you just had to see how 
far I (America) could be pushed, well now you know and you will 
regret it the rest of your short life.  America was a country 
best left alone, America would like to have coelition, but 
America is one country that can wipe you off the face of the 
earth without help from anyone.
There is on one on earth that can save you, they talk, but that 
is all the other countries will do, talk. They will not dare 
the "Wrath" that could be unleashed upon them, you are all alone.
You wanted a "Jihad" and now you have it. Bend over and kiss 
your ass good-bye!!

AMERICA  

At the risk of sounding like a pompous windbag, 
&  although I am not qualified to do so, I would like to thank 
you on behalf of the American people for your support. Although 
America is qualified to do it all on its own, support helps. The 
majority of the public either supports the war unconditionally, 
or believes that it is the wisest course..

Mr. Holland/Italy,


This service of 14 September 2001 was broadcast and translated 
to native languages "worldwide" on "EVERY" radio and "EVERY" 
television station the world over.  For the first time in the 
history of mankind the Gospel was preached to all the world for 
a witness unto all nations.

I assure you Mr. Holland/Italy, this National Cathedral Service 
was broadcast by every radio & television station world over.   
I'm sorry you missed it.  With goal clearly visible, its 
importance, religious wise (all faiths, moderate Islam not only 
included, but focused), was to promote spiritual unity (IE: 
religious separatism), if for only one reason to preach 
tolerance of other belief practices.

I believe this service to be the most moving I ever witnessed.



John
E pluribus unum

Over the 3 weeks or so ever since I found the Crisis site, I've 
left postings on other pages, one post appreciating the fact the 
the U.S.A. doesn't need anyone else's support if it so chooses. 
But my point is that it should'nt have to. It's the least we can 
do after what your country has done for us in the past. 

May I also add Eagle Eye brings a lot to this page, more than me 
I would suggest. I look forward to reading everyone's 
contribution on this site. Like I said, I hope it continues. 
Regards.    

Interestingly enough, I haven't really spent much time at the 
other boards here.  I took a peek at one of the 911 boards and 
didn't find it all that appealing.  I might be limiting myself, 
but I'm finding a lot to keep me busy at this board, and a 
number of very good perspectives to consider.  I don't want to 
spread myself (or my brain) too thin, if you can understand 
that.  Neither time nor neurons permit it! :)

Message to Muslim Americans, or wanna be's.

It is mass perception world over, but most important here in my 
homeland, The United States of America, that we do not hear your 
voice of disparage (vocal diagreement) of the Radical Muslim 
viewoint.

It is recognized, and we know you have no true pulpit leader, as 
your beliefs do not provide for one.  Your beliefs DO allow for 
any (and all) Muslim to take the Pulpit and preach truth.

I implore you, recommend, suggest, (I'd command if I could) - 
each and every Muslim - here, abroad, everywhere, take up the 
Pulpit, whether it be in Mosque, town centre, village, or soap 
box on street corner, anywhere audience be found.  Your message 
is clear:  Disavow belief of Radical Islam viewpoint.

If you do not promote the peace you and your families will fall 
victim to war the world over.

Should America be attacked in its homeland again.  I assure you, 
when the gloves come off, as they will, Americans WILL cry for 
internment.  You and your families will be rounded up and jailed 
in self defense.  There will be NO time to determine good from 
bad.

Take the Pulpit - Speak the Peace.  You NEED to demonstrate.  
You must Stand and be seen similiar, but with opposite message 
of the demonstrations in the Lands of Islam.

Your life and American lives depend on it.


John
E pluribus unum

John, dear, I think the gloves are already off, and the knuckles 
are ripe for action.  But I honestly hope it doesn't come down 
to rounding up Muslim Americans and jailing them.

Mr. President,  Is the problem making airport screeners federal 
employees the tenure issue?  We cannot relieve the poor 
performer of his/her duties by discharge if incompetent?

Then the problem lie not with federalizing the screeners.  The 
problem lies with the "job for life" for federal employees.  
Address the true issue and make cause for repair.  Your overhall 
goal for schools is similiar, IE: acedemic performance review.  
Goals for federal employees should be the same - job performance 
review.  


John
E pluribus unum

In WW2 they found jap warehouses on the west coast full of 
weapons waiting for the enemy---we lucked out that time.
Internment camps might be the safest thing for all involed.

This is a quote of your:
"Really such as ....?  If you think Im not BLOWN away by the 
support of our British allies, and Australian allies - your 
sadly mistaken. Germany, right on. Spain ... Italy fuck yeah."
Italy fucks, EagleEye? Why, what's the stereotype hou've got
of Italy? 
Bush didn't ask us for any direct military intervention yet; if 
he does, we will respect our obligations towards NATO.
What's the idea you have about Italy?

UK Citizen(s)..... and our Aussie | German | Italian | French | 
Pakistani et al .... allies - from the bottom "of whats left" of 
my heart - myself, family and just about every American citizen 
Ive spoken too [and thats quite a few as I do business all over 
the US] THANKS YOU for your support, conviction, resolve and 
INTESTINAL FORTITUDE.  Your Tony Blair's and the UK peoples 
support has moved this country like Ive never seen in 36 years.

Id love to take all the guns away, and line up Rugby Fields 
world Wide, against the little emacaited, Opium smoking fuckers 
and a few mates from around the world and just kick their 
fucking asses to a bloody pulp - cricket my ass.  USA's womens 
Bobby Sox Softball team likely would mop the camel shit stained 
floor with their scrawny goat tool loving asses.

You say for a muslim women are not impure and are equal. Could 
you quote those passages of curan, please, which say this 
(seriously speaking)?

"Italy fucks, EagleEye? Why, what's the stereotype hou've got
of Italy? "

In America ..... in zeal we sometimes say "Fuck Yeah!" 

Yeah = Yaaaaa .... [yeeeehaw for my southern friends] as an 
emphasis - in a GOOD Way. Over here some of us foul mouthed 
types us "FUCK" as an adjective not a VERB or action word.

I was not attempting to stereotype Italy/Italians in a ANY 
NEGATIVE way at all.

"Fuck Yeah" could also be the equivalent of "Right On"

English Slang lesson over :-)

Too bad the view is that the dog is so lowly; but, really now, 
aren't you insulting the canines of this world when you say 
these terrorists are 'lowly dogs'?  Surely the neighborhood mutt 
has much more loyalty and compassion than the scum terrorists do!

You assume that I am a 'Chomsky follower'and condescend to bow 
to me?  
I was taught to look at all sides of a situation...and as John 
stated, there are some truths there...
I personally find some of the theories to be a bit 'out there'; 
nevertheless, am seeking to educate myself by looking at more 
than one point of view.

couldn't get the secularislam url is there another one?

Sad to have read the Soldiers posting.. the all out truth.. 

You're cooler than that.. You remeber the posting when u spoke 
to me about the time when u served in the Gulf, and said that u 
couldnt get along with some Arabs as u couldnt get along with 
some Americans back home.. So as you see.. I'm sure you see 
where I'm coming from: People shall remain people, regardless..

So chill out guys.. Everbody..

Peace..

John: Added to: www.Afghan-Government.com Buddies..

Peace..

It would have been the only religious service I really would 
have wanted to see but did'nt get a chance to, I am sure I would 
have been moved as well, just like I was crying in front of the 
tv when the towers came down...  Sorry I missed it,in spite of 
being an atheist.  

Sorry for that, old boy.

That is  SECULARISLAM.ORG (as in organisation)...

Keep us posted on your studies, have a nice afternoon at it.

http://www.paknews.com/specialNews.php?id=45&date1=2001-10-29


Taliban warns Russia 
 
ISLAMABAD, October 30 (PNS): Afghanistan' ruling Taliban militia 
Monday -  Afghanistan' ruling Taliban militia Monday condemning 
Russia for its support of the Afghan opposition warned Masco t. 
stay out of Afghanistan's affairs.  Russia "should learn a 
lesson from the past war, which resulted in the division of the 
Soviet Union," Taliban spokesman Mullah Amir Khan Muttaqi was 
quoted by the Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) wire 
agency. 

"If this time Russia interferes, it will be divided into more 
parts," Muttaqi said. He accused Russia of plotting with the 
Afghan opposition to divide Afghanistan. "Instead of dividing 
Afghanistan, Russia should make arrangements for paying salaries 
to its workers in its own country," the Taliban spokesman said. 
"Afghanistan is an independent country, and cannot accept puppet 
owners, and cannot accept slavery," he said. Russia backs the 
northern alliance fighting the Taliban, and says it i. sending 
scores of tanks, armoured personnel carrier, rocket launchers 
and other equipment on the opposition's behalf. 
End.


My remark:  Taliban/al Quaeda know - One million Russian 
soldiers will fight side by side with Americans and Brits, on 
the ground to send them straight to hell.


J
E...

Gotta agree with you, bud!  I've been reading this site for  a 
few weeks but never posted.  I lost six friends in the 9/11 
attacks and I want to see those people suffer and die just like 
they did to my friends.  

For the rest of you pacifists out there that want to buy into 
the "Islam is a peaceful religion" bullshit.  Do a simple 
internet search on Islam/jihad and look through the results.  
Don't read the bullshit christian anti-muslim sites.  Read the 
Muslim sites themselves, especially the on-line newsletters.  
Pay careful attention to anything pre-9/11.  Most of them have 
changed their tune in the last month and a half to protect their 
asses from being investigated but they're too damn stupid to 
have removed their archives!  Go back a year, two years or more 
and see what they were saying about Americans, non-muslims, 
Sheikh Ussama Bin Ladin (as they refer to him).  After reading 
some of their shit, come back up here with the same fucked up 
ideas that you had before about how peaceful and loving they 
are - you can't!  I claim to be no expert on Islam, but after 
recent events, I have started researching for my own personal 
benefit.  I am nearly 3/4 of the way through the Koran (as 
translated by a U of Mich Professor on Islamic Studies) and am 
sickened by the hatred and death this religion advocates on 
anyone that doesn't believe their way.  Keep in mind also, there 
are several different versions of the Koran (just like the 
christian Bible) that are written to please whichever faction of 
Islamic group happens to be using it but the underlying message 
that reverberates through all of the versions is hatred for non-
muslims (the "infidels") and the Allah-advocated death to them 
all.

Just a few sites that I found of particular interest:
http://www.islam.org.au
http://www.ummah.org.uk/ikhwan/  (of particular interest due to 
the movement to infiltrate and take over governments from within)

I claim no religion any longer, however, I was raised in a 
christian school and one thing a Bible teacher told our class 
that has always stuck in my mind (which is why I no longer claim 
any religion!) - "Don't believe anything that someone tells you, 
whether it be your parents, your teachers, or your preacher, 
research it until you've proven it true or false."

Excellent observations...... just read both of the Usamma bin 
Lucifer "FATWAS" - you learn about all you need to know.

Great point about how they are toning down the vehement 
rhetoric.  These fucks are laffing behind closed doors and we 
let them stay, and we're so desensitized to Political 
Correctness now - we cant even see we're sleeping with the enemy.

Ive listened to ex-Muslims denounce the religion as evil, hate 
filled and denegrating to women - they left cuz they realized 
the hate.  Maybe you peeps here see me as abhorantly hateful - 
fine so be it ... but I feel as this drags on and you stay up 
late at night now - cuz your little cottages and beds arent 
sooooo comfortable as they were 2 mths ago - reading and 
listening and observing, you will see.  Hope you can over come 
the PC brainwashing you've been getting.

Allati2d - your still a work in progress :-)  Keep up the 
research and homework assignments !!!

Im not trying to convert anyone to hating Muslims, or being such 
a loud psycho extremist as I sometimes can be, but somewhere 
between Eyes Wide Fucking Open, and Anti is fine for me.  Just 
no more lulled to sleep sheep.  No Doze is plentiful - the facts 
await you ... happy discovery - but it wont be so happy Im 
afraid.

"NO" Peace - OUT.

Until evil Muslims/Taliban/ bin Lucifer are on a skewer.

This is the 3rd time this email has flown thru an inbox of mine -
 I still read every word and enjoy.  Its spreading over here 
like wildfire, and I wish I could repeat all the POSITIVE 
comments from American friends of mine that accompany this  - 
too many to mention.  There are others about our other allies as 
well - but this is one good example.  Wish I could post the 
picture they refer too - very cool.  Friendly Germans I salute 
you.
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Dear Dad, 
    We are still at sea. The remainder of our port visits have 
all been cancelled. We have spent every day since the attacks 
going back and forth within imaginary boxes drawn in the ocean, 
standing high-security watches, and trying to make the best of 
it. We have seen the articles and the photographs, and they are 
sickening. Being isolated, I don't think we appreciate the  full 
scope of what is happening back home, but we are definitely 
feeling the effects. 
    About two hours ago, we were hailed by a German Navy 
destroyer, Lutjens, requesting permission to pass close by our 
port side. Strange, since we're in the middle of an empty ocean, 
but the captain acquiesced and we prepared to render them honors 
from our bridgewing. As they were making their approach, our 
conning officer used binoculars and announced that Lutjens was 
flying not the German, but the American flag. As she came 
alongside us, we saw the American flag flying half-mast and her  
entire crew topside standing at silent, rigid attention in their 
dress  uniforms. They had made a sign that was displayed on her 
side that read  "We Stand By You." There was not a dry eye on 
the bridge as they stayed alongside us for a few minutes and 
saluted. It was the most powerful thing I have seen in my life. 
The German Navy did an incredible thing for this crew,  and it 
has truly been the highest point in the days since the attacks.  
It's amazing to think that only half-century ago things were 
quite  different. After Lutjens pulled away, the Officer of the 
Deck, who had  been planning to get out later this year, turned 
to me and said, "I'm  staying Navy." 
    I'll write you when I know more about when I'll be home,  
but this is it for now. 
Love you guys. 

Hey Everyone,
Wow, leave the PC for a few days and I have to read 4 1/2 hours 
to catch up! Hiya Allati2d, Cuzz, and QueEs...nice to see you 
found the place. EagleEye, sorry I wasn't around to respond when 
you spoke to me. John & Exhausted...I worry about you two...Hang 
in there!  I went to the country for a couple of days...just to 
look at trees and sky and spend time with a GREAT American 
Family.  I'd highly recommend a similar vacation for you all 
when the anger or panic boils over.  Kind of puts things in 
perspective...Oh, and we burned at least a few gallons on the 4-
wheelers for ya, Eagle!

I wish like HELL I'd been here when Care spoke up.  What Taliban 
type organization is feeding you that crap Care?  Cause I know 
there is NO WAY you coulda made all that up by yourself!  And, 
PLEASE!  I have my very OWN conscience, Thank You Very Much!  
And, if your post was an example of yours...I have a piece of 
desert in Afghanistan I could send you to...how about a prepaid 
vacation?  After about 6 minutes, I think you'd change your 
views.

ton, I understand your sentiment, but you aren't relating your 
opinions in an understandable way...your anger is too 
wide...like a shotgun blast.  Ours is like a rifle...focussed.  
And bin Laden's mama WAS a concubine...which is a whore in some 
circles...but, not a prostitute for anyone other than his father.

Ok Guys (and Gals), here's an idea.  You know how we give free 
educations to people in return for years of service?  How about 
we give U.S. Tax Free incomes of 3 times what they make here per 
year to all the educated Muslim doctors, etc to go to 
Afghanistan to heal, educate, and help set up a Democratic 
Government there?  The Muslims that live here (excluding 
terrorist plants) understand Democracy and Capitalism...and they 
share the religious beliefs of the poor and oppressed in 
Afghanistan.  Do you think we could get together as many as 
1,000 families to do that...just to get it started?  Might even 
make a few rednecks (like Mark) happy in the process.

Eagle Eye, I'm really starting to like you.  Spy, you also.  
When I speak of the redneck faction...I don't mean you two...I 
mean sick puppies like Mark.

And Holland? I'm a Christian and I wear a crucifix around my 
neck.  Before you scold others for not having their facts 
straight, you might want to consider that your own knowledge is 
limited.

So, is what I'm hearing (that's been flirted with but not 
stated) is that some of you think bin Laden is the Anti-Christ?  
The thought HAS occurred to me.

Eagle-Eye, I believe that the laws of the new testament 
cancelled all previous laws.  For instance, there used to be all 
the laws against eating pork and shellfish...but in Galateans, 
Christ said that he had made ALL things clean, which cancelled 
those prohibitions.  And, God said in the New Covenant that he 
would write his laws upon the hearts of everyman...by giving of 
the Holy Spirit to each of us to guide us.  Less confusion that 
way, maybe?  It works for me, anyhow.

One last thing...I'm a member of Ducks Unlimited...a 
Conservation Group.  We also support the NRA.  You have NO idea 
how hard hunters work to preserve the ecology of this 
planet...so stop with the treehugger bullshit please?

I'm an Afghan, well same number of deformaties, e.g. teeth.  
Come take me Plant, fuck me fuck me, up the ass.  Oh I enjoyed 
the threesome with Osama bin Laden.  Shame he's been firing 
blanks, I always wanted a loonatic child, beaver fat hybred. 

Love u loads fatso!

Anal co worker MAT!!!

I know but Mat you must keep this secret, what will happen if n 
e 1 we know sees this?

Oh and don't worry about the other night it happens to the best 
of us you can't always be expected to perform.

I love you Osama really, you know we belong together, I've 
fooled everyone at school into thinking I hate u, we'll be 
secretely together.

Love Planty (that's big D to you Mat)

I don't think you heard me when I said, no I don't want you.  
You have enough fat stored between the two of you to feed 
ethiopia or to heat iceland.  Y would I want to get with you?  I 
want Hitler but you killed him, now I love Sadam ok!

Get with the fuckin program beaver and butt head.  Suck your own 
dicks, I know u find that a turn on, if you can find them.  I 
suggest lippo sucksion k?

OSAMA

> "PALESTINE"
>
> This is written by an Arab-American journalist,  Joseph Farah, 
who
> seems to be  the lead man in the Internet-based conservative 
paper,
> WorldNetDaily.
>
> Other articles of sorts can be found at  www.worldnetdaily.com.
>
> Myths of the Middle East
>   2000 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by 
disputes
> over the Temple Mount. Until now, I haven't even bothered to 
say, "See, I
> told you so."  But I can't resist any longer. I feel compelled 
to remind
> you of the column I wrote just a couple weeks before the 
latest uprising.
> Yeah, folks, I predicted it. That's OK.  Hold your applause. 
After all, I
> wish I had been wrong. More than 80 people have been killed 
since the
> current fighting in and around Jerusalem began.
>
> And for what? If you believe what you read in most news 
sources,
> Palestinians want a homeland and Muslims want control over 
sites they
> consider holy. Simple, right? Well, as an Arab-American 
journalist who
> has spent some time in the Middle East dodging more than my 
share of
> rocks
> and mortar shells, I've got to tell you that these are just 
phony excuses
> for the rioting, trouble-making and land-grabbing.
>
> Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, 
there
> was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?
> "Well, Farah," you might say,
> "that was before the Israelis seized the West
> Bank and Old Jerusalem."
> That's true.  In the Six-Day War, Israel captured
> Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem.
> But they didn't capture these territories
> from Yasser Arafat.
> They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein.
> I can't
> help but wonder why all these
> Palestinians suddenly discovered their national
> identity after Israel won the war.
>
> The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never 
Land.
> The first
> time the name was used was in 70 A.D.
> when the Romans committed genocide
> against the Jews, smashed the Temple and
> declared the land of Israel would be no more.
> From then on, the Romans promised,
> it would be known as Palestine.
> The name was derived from the Philistines,
> a Goliathian people conquered by
> the Jews centuries earlier.
> It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury.
>
> They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia 
Capitolina,
> but that had even less staying power.
>
> Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an 
autonomous
> entity.
> It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian 
crusaders,
> by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World 
War I.
> The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the 
Jewish
> people as their homeland.
>
> There is no language known as Palestinian.
> There is no distinct Palestinian culture.
> There has never been a land known as Palestine
> governed by Palestinians.
> Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians
> (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
> Keep in mind that
> the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands.
> Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
> But that's too much for the Arabs.
> They want it all.  And that is
> ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today.
> Greed.  Pride.  Envy. Covetousness.
> No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will
> never be enough.
> What about Islam's holy sites?
> There are none in Jerusalem.
> Shocked?  You should be.
> I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth
> from anyone else in the international media.
> It's just not politically correct.
> I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque 
and the
> Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most 
holy sites.
>
> " Not true.
> In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem.
> It mentions Mecca hundreds of times.
> It mentions Medina countless times.
> It never mentions Jerusalem.
> With good reason.  There is no historical evidence to
> suggest Mohammad ever visited Jerusalem.
>
> So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? 
Muslims
> today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura,
> entitled "The Night Journey." It relates that in a dream or a 
vision
> Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the 
temple
> that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we 
might
> show him our signs. ..."  In the seventh century, some Muslims
> identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in 
Mecca
> and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with
> Jerusalem gets -- myth, fantasy, wishful thinking.
>
> Meanwhile, Jews can
> trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham. 
The latest
> round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader 
Ariel
> Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the 
Temple
> built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and 
his
> entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's 
like.
> I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be
> threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site 
in
> Judaism? So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? 
Well,
> frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the 
violence.
> But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending 
will
> only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright 
backed
> by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally 
with
> illegitimate claims, wishes and wants
> give diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.
>
> A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's
> commentaries can be heard on TalkNetDaily.
> END.

Darling Missin',

Here at Radio we are convinced that Osama is the antichrist 
if ever there was one, but it doesn't  end just there.
He is also anti-woman, anti-jewish,  and anti-mankind...

He is even anti-islam, for that matter, unveiling the darkest 
and hitherto mostly unknown side of his beloved religion, 
ultimately to bring it to its' knees. 

We promote the idea of freedom of religion, we are also 
firmly against racism.

We do think, however that the world is not ready to tackle 
this threat. 

The world, as we have come to know for the last fifty years or 
so cannot and should not be ruled by religious law.

We should do anything possible to spread the religion of 
democracy and humanity, instead of having these values 
perverted and abused by brainwashed religious fanatics, no 
matter what race. Any political activity other than 
humanitarian should not be tolerated, especially when it is 
being used in a discrminating manner.

And on so called globalism; we shoul not forge trade 
agreements with these regimes as we are doing right now.

Just today, Iran has confiscated some 5000 satelite disks in 
from it citizens, so you can rest assured that no news but 
"good" news is coming upon them...

So, let us speak with these regimes, and even do business 
with them, but on our conditions as of now.

And you should simply stop questioning the humanitarian 
aspect of this conflict with Bin Laden.
You are at a war, declared upon you by terrorists, apparently 
more or less supported by any number of these regimes.

Oh, and don't worry, he's dead already. 
There are more frinds of America here in Europe than you 
can possibly immagine...

Goodnight, This was Radio Europe

Happy Belated Birthday,  Jesus Christ!  Why the hell didnt you 
tell us?  We couldve chipped in for a big birthday cake but 
wishing you many more healthy years.  So, you are a SCORPIO 
then?  Or late Libra?  Anyway, dont have to tell you that Ilive 
near ground zero and I get pissed off daily especially when I 
just came back from having a BUTTERFINGER snack attack and saw 
my beautiful Empire State Building standing tall and majestic 
decked out in Red White and Blue.  It is nearly two months since 
this tragedy. MANY CASUALTIES in my neighborhood.  Lovely 23 
year old girl found out she was pregnant the very same morning 
that she was killed in the inferno.  I cannot let go of my rage 
and bitterness because dammit to hell, these people never did 
anything to anyone to have to be taken out like that.  Scalps 
burnt off, searing flesh vaporized in the air,  Clasping the 
hands of coworkers to jump to their deaths.  The acrid air still 
burns.  I paid my respects there and it feels like a church very 
quiet and holy.  So quiet, you could hear a pin drop down 
there.  Who could have ever believed something this horrible 
couldve happened on our shores?  I am ROYALLY PISSSED that they 
got away with it in the first place.  1993 bombing six lives 
lost.  That was six lives lost too many.  WHY WERE THESE 
COCKSUCKERS NOT SENTENCED TO DEATH RIGHT AWAY?  Instead, the tax 
payers have to continue to clothe and feed these sand niggers in 
the jails.  I just may never buy a slurpee again.

I don't have any reason whatsoever for my subject 
lines...Time for WAR! I wish that the terrorists on 9/11 had 
taken much bigger groups per plane, then we'd be have a 
few less of these murderers in our midst. Allatti2d...I am 
soooo slow! I just figured out the all attitude thing... crap. I 
must have been exhausted. Anyhow, what do you all think of 
North Korea? I've been a bit nervous about them lately 
because their population is brainwashed like al qaeda. I've 
read stuff saying that if anyone touches them they'll drop a 
nuke on everyone they possibly can I think the actual quote I 
read was "the world would not survive without North Korea"

Anyway, just a thought I had... 

time to go rock climbing and get more exhausted...

see yaz.

10/25 - Scorpion [answer any questions? :-)]

"I cannot let go of my rage 
and bitterness because dammit to hell, these people never did 
anything to anyone to have to be taken out like that.  Scalps 
burnt off, searing flesh vaporized in the air,  Clasping the 
hands of coworkers to jump to their deaths.  The acrid air still 
burns."

My thoughts exactly brutha ...... but Ohhhh..... Justice, lets 
not forget.  "violence begets violence" - you fucking bet your 
sweet Peace Sign it does you raghead, bent over 5 x a day for 
your camel's pleasure lovin mother fuckers... they violated US 
now they beget'n our violence!  After seeing our American 
Brothers and sisters crisped in this shit - makes me  juuuuust a 
little insensitive to a couple hundred afghan - who know the 
shit is coming -  FUCK .. hellooooo!  Fucking bail already - 
you've been warned - our people didnt get such luxery.  Too bad 
for afghan fools, sorry, but tooo bad - move your ass, or are 
you toooo strung out on the Opium to leave your crop/stash? WTF 
knows.

Ramadan? Holy Days ....? Ram - a- 2,000 pounder down their 
freakin jihide tunnel.  That'll make em holy alright.  Worship 
the Gawd of Shrapnel mother fux.

"I am ROYALLY PISSSED that they 
got away with it in the first place.  1993 bombing six lives 
lost.  That was six lives lost too many."

Isnt it kinda odd that the only Cabinet member remaining in 
Bush's, from Mona Lewinski's tenure in the oval orafice, is/was 
the director of the FBI?  This fuck must have naked pix of W or 
his dad or something.  He seems to suck at his job.  Why is he 
around still ... seems too great a liability to the nation to 
me.  Maybe no one else wants the job?
 

"WHY WERE THESE 
COCKSUCKERS NOT SENTENCED TO DEATH RIGHT AWAY?  Instead, the tax 
payers have to continue to clothe and feed these sand niggers in 
the jails."

Hope their in General Population now - sure that'll be fun for 
em. Let em loose out there with a nice fresh "JIHAD" tatted on 
their forehead.

To bad they werent jailed on the 80th floor of Tower 1 or 2, 
with their balls, nipples, tongue eye lids pierced & chained to 
the center girders.  When the fire broke out - the gaurds could 
have given them a butter knife - Choose your destiny.

Simple easy fast death too good for them.

Thanks!

My friend- I have been busy for the last weel and have not paid 
any attention to this board.  I, like you, do not want to see 
innocents die.  However....when a nation or a group goes to war 
it places at risk the exitance of that nation or group and may 
forfeit the life of every member of the group.

It is not our place to to protect the citizens of Afghanistan 
from our bombs.  It is the responsibility of the Taliban.

I would kill every man, women, and child in Afghanistan if I 
thought it would save the life of one American.  You see, I hold 
the lives of my fellow citizens to be sacred.  To be protected 
at ALL COSTS.  No hatred....just my way of looking at things.

John, I served in combat as an infantry soldier.  I hate war.  
It is a nasty business that destroys so much.  It has been 
brought to us and we must be ruthless about it.  there can be no 
other course of action.

Vietnam
2/503 Inf. Abn. 173rd. Airborne Brigade (SEP)

My post to you:

From: Spy 
To: Ashraf 
Date: Thu Oct 11 20:33:58 2001 
Message:

People like usama bin, etc.have not only damaged relations 
between our nations, but have hurt mankind in general.
I'm an American and have had the benifit of meeting and 
living with people of middle eastern decent.(1970'S)
Some, I got along with and some I did'nt. Hell,most 
americans I probally did't "get along with"--"but it sure was'nt  
reason to do 9/11/01 !
I've had the opportunity to go into "middle eastern" homes, 
and do work for/with these people, with no problem.
I'm not going to get into specifics, but its too bad; this nation 
is a lot more PISSED, than you could even imagine !!
God bless you and your family--and ours also.


Analysis:

"have had the benifit of meeting and 
living with people of middle eastern decent.(1970'S)
Some, I got along with and some I did'nt." 

Do these statments seem to contradict? They do, don't 
they?--or do they? 

"Out of the whole stinkin' bunch of them(and I do mean 
stinkin')
I only met one---ONLY ONE --who believed in Islam and 
lived by it to the best of his ability as a human being.
The rest of 'em were the most 
arrogant,ignorant,vile,buttfuckin' people I ever met. And that's 
the way that ONE felt about his cohorts. He was utterly 
disgraced by 'em."

Consider these statements:

"I didn't want to go here, but I am really PISSED now !
I'm gonna put this flat out straight. The fucking truth !"

"It was something that I had no intention of posting on this 
site (for I would have six weeks ago if so); but---"

Time machine ride(but I'm not going to give direction)

"I've had the opportunity to go into "middle eastern" homes, 
and do work for/with these people, with no problem."

No prejudices here.
Would I do it now after 911? No. Prejudice on.

Now the meat of the post:
"People like usama bin, etc.have not only damaged 
relations 
between our nations, but have hurt mankind in general."
"I'm not going to get into specifics, but its too bad; this nation 
is a lot more PISSED, than you could even imagine !!"

Ashraf----I am not going to "chill out"! I'm all hot and 
bothered!!!
I'm on a hunting trip and there are no limits on how many 
one bags.
Maybe you should have said,"You're colder than that.."

Ashraf---this is WAR for me---military switch on.

Hi Eagle-Eye,

Here I go again...You're gonna give me hell I know, but that's 
ok.  

I read in several different articles that the people of 
Afghanistan that could leave did.  The ones that couldn't are 
the one's who are too ill, or too weak from starvation, or who 
have children who are ill.  I know that's not true of all of 
them, but I imagine that it is true of a bunch of them. A lot of 
them are probably ignorant (not necessarily stupid, just 
ignorant) enough to have bought what the Taliban has been 
feeding them via their controlled TV and radio. However, I'm 
satified that we are doing all we can to avoid killing them.  
And, I'd love to get my sights on the Taliban members that are 
using these people as shields.

I'm pretty sure that I remember the FBI has a new director that 
took office during or just before Chandra Levy went 
missing...can anyone else validate that?

And, you KNOW the terrorists that we have in jail have been 
treated pretty good...they've given us information about the 
organization.  Somebody earlier said they want to see bin Laden 
tried here?  Not me!  Our justice system isn't harsh 
enough...They need to kill him there...and if he dies hard...so 
much the better.

Okay, gotta get sleep...up again at 3am.  Happy Birthday, Eagle!

Some Very good reading here!  Thanks so much for sharing that, 
Radio.  Others may want to take a peek; sign the petition for 
equal rights for women...


http://www.secularislam.org/rights/declaration.htm

That's Secularislam; and declaration, not petition...;)

Just a reminder to all of you 13 year olds that feel the need to 
pretend like you are Osama or one of his minions spreading 
fear.  The FBI closely monitors chat boards such as this one.  
So when the FBI bangs down your door, takes your computer, and 
slaps mom and dad with a hefty federal fine.....don't say I 
didn't tell ya so.

RE:  "WHY WERE THESE COCKSUCKERS NOT SENTENCED TO DEATH     
RIGHT AWAY?  Instead, the tax payers have to continue to clothe 
and feed these sand niggers in the jails."

Hope their in General Population now - sure that'll be fun for 
em. Let em loose out there with a nice fresh "JIHAD" tatted on 
their forehead.

*****

The answer is:  the "seemingly seldom to get it right" jury was 
deadlocked.  So they got a couple hundred years, plus life - 
each.

Each time I hear the word jury, I become staving angry.  I think 
of that murderous animal Orenthal James Simpson.  One afternoon 
and into the evening, this man smoked a whole bunch of dope.  
Upon crashing from these drugs he became super paranoid and 
killed two people.  That's what happened, period.

Simpson's "Dream Team" defense played the sickening race card up 
against the overwhelming evidence (including DNA).  The 
absolutely just plain outright stupid, mindless jury, produced a 
finding of not guilty.  huh?

This same jury pool (American's lacking the sense to get out of 
jury duty), deadlocked and failed to agree on the sentence of 
death for these murdering terrorists of WTC-'93.  American 
juries are obviously incapable of performing the function 
required of them.  Do not expect to see ANY terrorists brought 
home for trial hence forth.   For them justice cannot be found 
within the American court system.  I see pig blood soaked 
bullets...

$130 Million American tax dollars (enough to buy 130 missles) 
was spent on the prosecution of these terrorists.  These 
convicts will spend the remainder of their lives in solitary 
confinement (not amongst the general population) of the American 
prison system.

As for OJ Simpson, the dollars spent by the state of California 
on his failed prosecution, I think was $25 Million.

Simpson was found not-guilty of assault and battery by another 
obviously incompetent jury in Florida last week.  Simpson fled 
to the State of Florida in a successful attempt to sheild assets 
after a civil suit loss to the families of the victims he 
slaughtered.  Florida has liberal banckrupcy protection laws 
allowing any resident of six months or more, to sheild assets 
from seizure with no monetary cap on personal home value.  
Florida is the haven for millionaires nationwide to flee when 
preparing to go bankrupt.


John
E pluribus unum

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24738

I want some freakin answers ... W... !!!!! Is "W" going to the 
internment camps too - WTF?  Fuck this - I need to load some 
more shells.

<excerpt>

But, according to the July 16 Newsweek, during a campaign speech 
in Tampa, last year, candidate Bush singled his son, Abdullah, 
out in the crowd, something done for specially selected, pre-
screened individuals to which a candidate wants to draw 
attention. Calling Abdullah, "Big Dude"   one of his trademark 
nicknames reserved for close advisors and White House press, 
Bush and wife Laura posed for pictures with the Arian family, 
standing right next to Dr. Al-Arian. 

Mr. PATHFINDER, I Thank You, We All Thank You for your dedicated 
effort to the defense of this great nation.  It shall NEVER be 
forgotten.


Possibly you may have missed amongst my sometimes seemingly 
enigmatic posts, my post to Pinwheel, or as I possibly 
inappropriately refered to as Pinhead.

My position is clearly spelled out with this repeat post.

From: John 
To: Pinwheel 
Subject: PinHead 
Date: Sun Oct 28 02:00:34 2001 
Message:

I can only guess what you might be referring to.  You're 
probably like ton, reading out of context, a conversation I've 
had with another poster.  Or maybe not.  I couldn't say.  You 
offered no example or elaboration at all.  But I'll try to 
figure out what your dribble means.

In reference to this partial question of yours:  "you say people 
should be executed?"

Yes.  The Taliban, al Quaeda and supporters of, and other terror 
groups worldwide need be destroyed.  They have defined us as 
enemy.  They will kill us.  That means they want to kill you 
too, your family, and your friends.  I support their execution 
to save YOU and those YOU care about.  As well as myself.  :-)

You asked this:   "why do you focus on 'deaths of millions' 
while people are dying now (innocents)?"

I guess you think I can wave my majic wand and stop the deaths 
of all the innocents.  hmmm
If you're referring to the deaths of innocent Afghans presently 
dying at the hands of our bombs.  That's called collateral 
damage.  It's unavoidable.  Some will die.  Unfortunately, I 
think it better some innocents die rather than YOU and YOUR 
family and friends.  Oh and me too.  :-)


and you asked:  "john you say there's no hate in your heart?"

I don't hate these people, I really don't.

Let's see if I can explain this AGAIN so YOU can understand.  
These people hate us, not us them.
They attacked us, not us them.

We must destroy them not because we hate them, but because they 
hate us.

Got it yet pinhead?

John
E...



****

Thanks again Pathfinder.

John
E pluribus unum

Missin' - many thanks for the B-Day props!  Where'd 22-35 go?

Look Missin' bummer about the civi afghani's - but sorry to tell 
ya - Im way freakin over it already, and the peeps we get to see 
in the pix dont look lame, too sick to move etc .....  They 
appear waiting for the Taliban and Osama to kick some yankee 
ass, you beleive what you want.  Maybe those nice loving 
Talibans could give em a lift to the refugee camps ... maybe 
those talib brothers they're all dying for could stop killing UN 
workers and stealing the food?  Wonder if UN truckloads of food 
rolled in during Ramafreakindan if the Taliban would kill them 
and steal the food - who wants to give me odds?

Spy - dude that freakin sick ass diarhea word picture of filth 
and disgust about these Muslim, Arab, Middle eastern wack job 
Butt Pirates was pretty much CONFIRMED today on the Radidio.

John - did you hear that on Larry Elders show today!!!!  Some 
Russian cat with a PHD in history and specialist on Arab Middle 
east issues of womens sexuality and their relationship to men of 
the region - freakin nausiating. Basically becuase of their laws 
with their women - the dudes vent their sexual 
disfunction/frustration on the effimnent males and flamers - 
they dont view themselves as homosexuals [apparently their is no 
Islamic/Arabic word for that lifestyle - but I think we can add 
one for it to the Arabic Websters - Osama] they view them like 
women - as objects to use and consume for their  ... well 
whatever the fuck they think they need.  Then they discussed the 
72 hourries ... think about it, why do they need 72?  These 
girls have NO will of their own, no spiritual being - nada in 
the ko-fucking-ran - they are simply there for these jihide 
simps to "consume". Niiiiice aint it ... but in the meantime 
they gonna get some goat .... some opiated panzy ... mix in a 
little camel bung ... oh yeah .....living large.  Is that the 
smell of Plutonium?

Can we get some coordinates on the caves full of the tattered 
Korans? Bunker buster and maypalm that "sum biscuit" till its 
ash wednesday!

Talib POW's should be shipped over to the nearest PIG farm, 
where there sole job is to tear pages from the Koran and throw 
them down all over the pens for the pigs to PISS and Shit on - 
all the dead Talibs shall have a rotting boars head as a head 
stone, and their eyes covered by swine genitalia.

Better Link to that article by Joseph Farah.

May be a little easier to read here:

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15066

Pretty right wing place, but unlike the other posters - Ill warn 
you ahead of time - centrist and leftist viewer discretion 
advised.

That explains partly why Professor Al-Arian was not deported 
prior to 9/11.  He'll be gone or imprisoned by morning.  Bill 
O'Reilly interviewed and exposed this Terror Group Fundraiser Al-
Arian three weeks ago.  O'Reilly managed by exposure to get him 
suspended with pay.  The school defends this monster.  Expect to 
hear much with regard in the days to follow unless a major step 
up of war action takes place.  Someone in the Bush election camp 
screwed up big time, huh?

John
E pluribus unum 

Maybe I should rephrase as a hemorrhoidal movement.

IRAQ'S ANTHRAX STOCKPILE HIGHLIGHTED. At the outset 
of the Gulf War a decade ago, Saddam Husseyn was 
estimated to have 50 anthrax-filled bombs, and 10 missiles 
loaded with anthrax warheads. According to a report in "The 
Guardian" of 15 October, this was the fruit of a six-year 
biological warfare program. A recent book by Paul Rogers, 
professor of peace studies at Bradford University, "Losing 
Control," refers to an American assessment that "the Iraqis 
were likely to use weapons of mass destruction if the 
survival of the regime was threatened." 

The main source of information on Iraq's anthrax weapon 
program was a series of UNSCOM inspection reports 
issued between October 1995 and October 1997. In May 
1989, "The Guardian" noted, large-scale anthrax production 
began at a factory in Al-Hakam. UNSCOM estimated that the 
Al-Hakam facility produced 8,425 liters of anthrax bacteria in 
the course of 1990. 

A parallel program started to design weapons that could 
deliver the anthrax spores. Rockets, bombs, and spray 
tanks were all tested between 1988 and 1990, prior to the 
attack on Kuwait. Then the biological weapons program 
was speeded up. 

Other biological killers, the food-poisoning agent botulinum 
and aflatoxin, a cancer-inducing toxin, reportedly were also 
tested. After UNSCOM made these discoveries, Iraq 
prevented further discoveries. Rogers says, "There were 
credible reports Iraq was continuing work, probably in 
underground research and development centers." However, 
none of this proves the latest anthrax scares can be traced 
to Iraq. (David Nissman)

IRAQ'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM HAMPERED BY SIZE. Michael 
Eisenstadt of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy 
says Baghdad is not yet capable of making a nuclear 
weapon small enough to fit on their missiles, according to a 
report in "Middle East Newsline" of 16 October. He adds that 
Iraq's small surviving arsenal of Al-Husseyn missiles is of 
uncertain reliability, and "a first generation weapon might 
not be robust enough to withstand the rigors of missile 
flight." He concludes that Iraq may seek other ways to 
deliver a nuclear strike. And Iraq is not expected to be able 
to produce fissile material for a bomb "for years to come." 
As a result, he concludes that Baghdad will focus on 
acquiring fissile material from abroad, which will probably 
limit the size of any arsenal to one to three bombs. (David 
Nissman)

IRAQ EXPECTS U.S. ATTACK WITH KURDISH, TURKMEN 
COOPERATION. Iraqi authorities have taken precautionary 
military measures inside the oil-rich city of Kirkuk in 
anticipation of a U.S. military strike with Kurdish and 
Turkmen cooperation, according to a report in London's 
"Al-Hayat" of 15 October. An informed Kurdish source in 
Al-Sulaymaniyah has told "Al-Hayat" that Iraqi military 
authorities have completed the building of 65 large military 
shelters northwest of Kirkuk. They have also started to 
distribute light and medium weapons to the Arab tribes 
living in the Saliyi area, northeast of the city, and have begun 
crash course to train the newly armed men in the Saqazli 
Camp near Kirkuk. 

The source pointed out that a Special Guard unit executed 
three officers inside the army's 1st Corps headquarters in 
Kirkuk. One of the executed officers is said to be Staff Major 
General Hamad Al-Jamali. Also, the director of the press 
office in Al-Ta'mim province was arrested. In addition, five 
military companies from the northern branch of the ruling 
Ba'th Party have been formed; they have the task of 
controlling the conditions inside the city in case of sudden 
disturbances. These companies are directly linked to the 
office of Qusay Saddam Husseyn. (David Nissman)

INC SAYS IRAQI AMBASSADOR LINKED TO WTC ATTACK 
TACTIC. An official at the Iraqi National Congress (INC) in 
Washington said the tactic for the attacks on the WTC and 
the Pentagon was hatched by Faruq Hijazi, currently Iraq's 
ambassador to Turkey and a former brigadier general in the 
General Intelligence Directorate, and its current Brigadier 
General Habib Ma'muri, according to an article in the 
"Jerusalem Post" of 14 October. Ma'muri was in charge of 
special operations from 1982-1990, and at the same time 
Hijazi lectured on espionage, assassination, and hijacking 
following the Gulf War. 

The INC official said that "the plan of controlling a civilian 
airplane with full fuel tanks, using teams of five and items 
that can be easily carried aboard a plane, such as knives, 
and then using the plane as a guided missile was hatched 
by Ma'muri and Hijazi at Salman Pak some time before 
1995." The "Jerusalem Post" adds that "Newsweek" 
magazine says that Hijazi met suspected hijacker 
Muhammad Atta in Prague last April. Hijazi last gained wide 
press attention when he visited with Osama bin Laden in 
Afghanistan in 1998. (David Nissman)

IRAQI FM ON OIC MEETING. Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji 
Sabri Al-Hadithi has returned to Iraq following the meeting of 
foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic 
Conference (OIC) member states. He said in an interview 
on Baghdad Television that the statement issued by the 
meeting covered many of the elements that Iraq considered 
necessary and that "the core of the correct Arab and Muslim 
position is found in the Iraqi position.... One can summarize 
these elements as follows: Rejection of any aggression 
against any Arab or Muslim state under the pretext of fighting 
terrorism. Second, the conferees stressed that the issue of 
terrorism must be tackled within the framework of the United 
Nations and according to international law." The OIC called 
for an international conference to define terrorism and 
search for ways to deal with it. 

The correspondent for Baghdad Television said that "people 
expected an Arab and Muslim position on the U.S. 
aggression against Afghanistan. However, analysts 
reached the conclusion that the conference did not live up to 
expectations in this regard?" Al-Hadithi answered that the 
OIC has 56 member states and "the majority of these have 
certain ties and relations to the United States. Therefore, it 
was not possible to achieve a clear denunciation of the U.S. 
aggression against Afghanistan." (David Nissman)

SADDAM CONDEMNS THOSE WHO SUPPORT U.S. 
ATTACKS ON AFGHANISTAN. Saddam Husseyn said on 
Baghdad Television of 13 October that the rulers of 
countries that "do not want to condemn the U.S. aggression 
against Afghanistan will not gain strength from this weak 
position. The flood has come. They can survive only by 
returning to their peoples and the correct national 
approach." And he added that peoples not side with 
governments that are supported by the United States. He 
said: "Violence and instability in the Arab homeland is the 
result of subservience to the foreigner. It is also the result of 
the governments' failure to face wrong with right." And he 
warned, "All those who support wrong over right, do not feel 
ashamed of wrong actions, and respond to the U.S. and 
Zionist wishes will lose their people." (David Nissman)

CHINESE COMPANY TO INSTALL IRAQI MOBILE PHONE 
NETWORK. The Iraqi State Communication and Phone 
Company has signed contracts with the Chinese Sentik 
company to install a cellular phone network. The company 
is to install an expandable network with a capacity of 25,000 
lines, according to the Baghdad newspaper "Al-Thawra" of 
27 September. A source at the State Communications and 
Phone Company said that a Chinese delegation had 
recently visited Iraq to discuss the installation mechanism 
of the mobile phone network. It then left for New York to 
submit the contracts to the UN Committee 661. He 
dismissed as baseless the reports that the French Alcatel 
company would provide the mobile phones. Contracts with 
Alcatel only include large-capacity telephone exchanges to 
facilitate telephone communications. (David Nissman)

IRAQ REJECTS SHIPMENT OF PAKISTANI WHEAT. The 
Trading Corporation of Pakistan (TCP) shipped 98,000 
pounds of super-fine red winter wheat to Iraq. Although one 
ship was cleared for unloading, the grain loaded in two 
hatches of the second ship was rejected. Later, Iraqi 
inspectors rejected the quality of all wheat on the ship. 
Similarly, Iraq has rejected all grain loaded on a third ship 
due to the presence of sand. To resolve the issue, a 
two-member delegation from the TCP and the Export 
Promotion Bureau has left for Baghdad, according to "Asia 
Pulse" of 15 October. 

According to a report prepared by the Iraqi authorities, there 
is 0.2 percent sand in the consignment. Rejection of the two 
shiploads of wheat (62,000 pounds) was a blow to 
Pakistan, said Masood Alam Rizvi, chairman of TCP, as it 
had passed a preshipment inspection by Iraq's Inspectorate 
Pakistan. Although Iraq has extended unconditionally the 
validity of letters of credit by 90 days and without any penalty 
to replace the rejected wheat, Rizvi said that unless Iraq 
changed the terms and conditions for the clearance of the 
consignment, Pakistan would not reship the wheat. (David 
Nissman)

ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON GOVERNOR OF DIYALA. 
According to "Iraq Press" of 15 October, travelers have 
reported that unidentified gunmen fired at the convoy of a 
senior official of the Iraqi government in central Iraq. They 
said that the governor of Diyala, Fawzi Al-Kubaysi, was 
ambushed on his way to attend a funeral in one of the 
orchards on the outskirts of Ba'quba, north of Baghdad. 
Troops cordoned off the area in search of the attackers, but 
it is not known whether any arrests have been made. 
Al-Kubaysi cut his trip short and returned to Ba'quba. He is 
said to have escaped unharmed. "Iraq Press" says that the 
authorities clamp a complete blackout on such incidents. 
(David Nissman)

KIG LEADERSHIP TO DECIDE ON JUND AL-ISLAM 
REUNIFICATION. A source close to the Islamic factions in 
Iraqi Kurdistan said that on 13 October the Kurdistan 
Islamic Group (KIG), led by Mulla Ali Bapir, convened a 
special meeting in Ahmedawa to discuss the possibility of 
the unification of Jund Al-Islam militants with the KIG, 
according to KurdishMedia.com on 14 October. The meeting 
follows upon a meeting between Mulla Ali Bapir and Shaykh 
Muhammad Barzinji of the KIG with Jalal Talabani, 
secretary-general of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) 
where the issue of dissolving the Jund Al-Islam and joining 
it with the KIG was discussed. The KIG was informed about 
the PUK's views on the matter. 

Analysts believe that this may be the last opportunity given 
by the PUK to the KIG and Jund Al-Islam to settle their 
problems; otherwise, PUK forces would start a final military 
operation to wipe out the Jund Al-Islam militants in the 
Biyara and Tawila areas. 

It appears, though, that "reunification" may have been 
initially an initiative by the Jund Al-Islam itself. The 
Al-Sulaymaniyah newspaper "Hawlati" of 7 October pointed 
out that after the military "fiasco" resulting from the PUK 
attacks at the beginning of October, some of the Jund fighter 
had left their lines and contacted and joined the Islamic 
Group or the PUK. A PUK source informed "Hawlati" that 
"eight of this group's gunmen have surrendered to the PUK 
forces. Also more than 30 of its fighters have joined the 
Islamic Group (KIG)." Basically, more than 180 Jund troops 
have surrendered to PUK forces in Halabcha, and more 
than 50 have joined the KIG. 

As a consequence of the military defeat of the Jund Al-Islam 
forces, the Jund has held several meetings with both the 
KIG and the Islamic Movement. The Jund Al-Islam has been 
insisting that the KIG and the Islamic Movement withdraw 
from the regional government so that they would 
unanimously announce an Islamic government in Halabcha 
and Hawraman provinces. However, the Islamic Group has 
so far refused this condition. (David Nissman)

KDP FEARS IRAQI MISSILE ATTACK. The Kurdistan 
Democratic Party (KDP) has informed its senior officials that 
the KDP foresees attacks against Iraq as part of the U.S. 
campaign against terrorism and countries that harbor 
terrorists, reports KurdishMedia.com on 13 October. The 
KDP feels that in the events of any American strikes, Iraq 
may retaliate by attacking the Kurdish region inside the 36th 
parallel. The KDP informed its senior officials that any attack 
by Iraq would probably be with missiles. KDP officials were 
requested to take the necessary precautions to confront any 
such event. (David Nissman)

KURDISH DELEGATION MEETS WITH U.S. OFFICIALS. A 
joint delegation of both the KDP and the PUK met with U.S. 
officials last week, according to "The Kurdistan Observer" of 
14 October. Barham Salih, the prime minister of the 
PUK-controlled region of the Kurdistan Regional 
Government (KRG), and Hoshyar Zebari, principle KDP 
officer for international relations, held several meetings with 
White House and State Department officials. They 
discussed the latest developments in Kurdistan. 

The U.S. officials told the Kurdish delegation that although 
the United States is focusing on the war on terrorism, it is 
monitoring the situation in Kurdistan and Iraq very closely. 
The American officials reaffirmed their pledge to protect the 
Kurdish region from any aggression, and continued support 
for the principle of a 13 percent share of the oil-for-food 
program to be allocated to the region. (David Nissman)

IRAQ OCCUPIES 30 VILLAGES IN KURDISH BORDER 
REGION. A KDP source told the London-based Arabic 
newspaper "Al-Sharq Al-Awsat" on 12 October that Iraqi 
forces had moved into several areas under control of the 
Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan, reported "The Kurdistan Observer" 
on 15 October. The source said that Saddam's forces 
occupied the village of Sadawa, located 17 kilometers 
southwest of Irbil, and relocated 30 families of Arab origin 
into the village. 

The source also pointed out that the Iraqi government has 
forced the population of as many as 30 villages to leave 
their homes as they faced repeated bombardment by Iraqi 
artillery. Subsequently, Arab tribes were moved in by Iraqi 
forces as part of Iraq's ethnic cleansing policy. 

In addition, KurdishMedia.com of 15 October reports in 
Makhmur, near Mosul, the security apparatus has ordered 
that all shops and public places in the city must change 
their names to Arabic ones. This order also includes 
graves. The security apparatus has formed a committee to 
delete all Kurdish writings and dates on the graves, and 
rewriting the gravestones in Arabic. (David Nissman)

IRAQI ARCHEOLOGISTS FIND ANCIENT ASSYRIAN CITY. 
Iraqi archeologists believe they have located the Assyrian 
town of Belato, which is believed to be one of the sources of 
the architectural legacy of the Assyrian empire, according to 
"Iraq Press" of 14 October. The discovery is certain to fill 
many gaps in the ancient history of Mesopotamia. 

Belato is situated on a promontory overlooking the Tigris 
River. It is located 45 kilometers west of the Assyrian capital 
of Nineveh, whose ruins are located within the city of Mosul, 
400 kilometers north of Baghdad. The find is the most 
significant since Western teams halted their excavations in 
Iraq at the outbreak of the Gulf War. 

Assyrian monarchs boasted of adorning their palaces and 
temples with marble statues and reliefs from Belato. 
Assyrian sources dating from Belato's period mention that 
the winged bulls were carved in Belato and transported via 
dinghies to construction sites in Ashur, Nineveh, and 
Nimrud. The type of local marble in the Belato quarries is 
identical to that found and the slabs, reliefs and sculptures 
found in Assyrian cities and temples, the archeologists 
said. The Assyrian empire collapsed some 3,000 years 
ago. (David Nissman)


 

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1. Where is Palestine? 
Palestine covers [covered] what we now call Israel, plus the 
Occupied Territories. It borders Lebanon in the North. Syria and 
Jordan in the West. Touches Saudia Arabia and Egypt in the South 
and the Mediterranean Sea in the East. 

2. When was the Land of Palestine inhabited?
The city of Jericho was built by Arabs around 10,000 years ago. 


3. Who are the Palestinians? 
People who can trace their roots, over many centuries, to the 
land of Palestine   often referred to as the Holy Land. 

4. Historical Chronology 
3,000 BC   Canaanites were the People of Palestine 
2,500 BC   Canaanites around Jerusalem. Jerusalem established by 
Jebusites a Canaanite tribe. 
2,000 BC   Prophet Ibrahim/Abraham [as] migrates to the land of 
Palestine/Jerusalem. 
1842 BC   First mention of Jerusalem discovered in a text 
[Egyptian].
1,700   1,500 BC   The rulers of Egypt called Hyksos invade 
Jerusalem. 
1,350 BC   First mention of Jerusalem as a city state discovered 
in an Egyptian letter called the Tel Amarna letter. 
1,250 BC   Prophet Mussa/Mosses [as] leads his people out of 
Egypt. 
1,200   A people from Greece called the Philistines occupy the 
Land of Canaan and most probably Jerusalem and ruled it for only 
40 years. 
1,200   1,020   Jebusites rule the city of Jerusalem. 
1,020 BC   Prophet Daud/David [as] fought a battle with the 
Philistines, destroyed them and established the Ancient Israel. 
965 BC   Prophet Sulayman/Soloman [as] succeds Daud [as] as the 
King of Israel. 922 BC   After Sulayman s [as] death the Kingdom 
of Israel was split. Judea with Jerusalem as its capital and 
Israel destroyed by Babyloniaons. 
926 BC   Egyptian forces occupy Jerusalem. However, the house of 
David was allowed to flourish under Egyptian rule! 
701 BC   Assyrians capture Jerusalem and make the whole of Judea 
a tributary state. 
587 BC   Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon destroys Jerusalem 
including Sulayman s [as] Temple. All Jews are either killed, 
exiled or taken prisoners. END OF ISRAEL! Only after 400 years! 
538 BC   Persian King Cyrus captures Jerusalem from Babylonians 
and allows Jews to return as his  citizens . The Jews re-built 
the Temple. 
332 BC   Alexandra the Great captures Jerusalem. 
301 BC   Break up of Alexandra s kingdom, the Ptolemics of Egypt 
rule Palestine. 200 BC   Greek/Syrian Seleucids capture and rule 
Jerusalem. 
169 BC   Seleucid King Antochius destroys forbids the practice 
of Judaism.
167 BC   Macabbean [Jewish] revolt. Hasmonean dynasty founded, 
Temple restored. 134 BC   Syrians siege Jerusalem. 63 BC   
Pompey head of Roman Army captures Jerusalem. 
70 AD   Titus the roman General destroys the Temple. Jews 
totally banished from Jerusalem. 
135 AD   Emperor Hadrian captures Jerusalem, re-name it Aelia 
Capitolina and expels the remaining Jews.
326 AD   Constantine the Roman Emperor became Christian. 
Christianity became the official religion of the Empire thus 
began the Christian era of Jerusalem. 
614 AD   Persians under Khosras occupy Jerusalem. 
628 AD   Heraclius the Roman Emperor re-occupies Jerusalem. 
638 AD   The great Caliph Umar liberates Jerusalem. 
1099   Christian Crusades occupy Jerusalem. 
1187   Sal audeen re-occupies Jerusalem from the Christians. 
1229   Jerusalem ceded by treaty for ten years to Crusaders.
1239   Muslims regain control. 
1243   Mongols invade Jerusalem. 
1517   Under Muslim Ottoman rule. 
9 Dec 1917   Ottoman surrender to British. Jerusalem & Palestine 
become British Mandate. 1948   Al Nakba [The Catastrophe] 
Britain evacuates and Jews destroy Palestinian villages and the 
State of Israel is founded. 
1948  1967   Between 1948 & 1967 Israel controls West Jerusalem 
and Jordan control East Jerusalem. 
1967   Israel occupies East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

I found the www.securalislam.org extremely interesting. Finally 
some straight answers are given by highly educated Muslims and 
experts of the Islam
Click on : Statement of Ibn Warring about the WTC Massacre. 
Things are put down in a manner I am not capable of myself but 
express the same feelings I had for a long time. Below a small 
sample in case you don't feel like reading the whole thing, you 
might be tempted into reading more though:

- (answer to your question to Hungry): There is no equality of 
treatment for men and women under Islamic Law. Ask any young 
woman who has just been raped and as a result is facing prison 
for indecency. Or any young woman from Bradford sent to Pakistan 
against her will. 

From Muslims, for Muslims:
- There may be moderate Muslems, but Islam itself is not 
moderate, there is no difference between Islam and Islamic 
fundamentalism. All the tenets of Islamic Fundamentalism are 
derived from the Qu'ran; Islamic Fundamentalism is based on the 
fundamental and defining texts of Islam.
- Fundamentalists totally reject the values of the West, which 
they think are poisoning the Islamic Culture. What they want is 
nothing but: world domination.
- Holy war is precisely what Jihad is about, the West will never 
understand what happened in New York and Washington if this is 
denied and if such blatant falsehood is allowed to go 
unchallenged.
- Holy war is a goal because innocent civilians succumbing can 
serve to drive many moderate Muslims into the arms of the Jihad. 
Every young Muslim who sees his family members killed becomes 
another potential suicide bomber.
- It is an erroneous and sentimental belief that all cultures 
have the same values and not all values are worthy of respect.
- The age-old Jihad is based on the Qu'ran, just as the 
Christian respond to it is rooted in the Bible. These documents 
were spawned in nomadic and rural societies in the infancy of 
the race and are not appropriate to the modern world.
- It is nonsense to believe that the Qu'ran is the word of God, 
when the slightest amount of rational thought will reveal that 
the Qu'ran contains words and passages addressed to God (e.g. 
VI.104, VI.114, XVII.1, XXVII.91, LXXXI.15-29, LXXXIV.16-19, or 
that it is full of historical errors and inconsistencies.
- It is a question of an entire different viewpoint which they 
(fundamentalists) wish to impose on the whole world.
- The concepts of human rights and democracy are alien to Islam.

For Muslems to do:
1). We, Muslims, should unapologetically examine the life of the 
Prophet, who was not above political assasinations, and who was 
responsable for the massacre of the Jews.
2). All moderate Muslims of the USA should proclaim their 
Americanism, their patriotism and their solidarity to the 
families of the victims.
3). All Muslims should denounce this barbarism ( NY, Wash) for 
what it is: the slaughtering of innocent people.
4). All moderate Muslims should take this opportunity to examine 
the tenets of their faith, look at the Qu'ran, recognize its 
role in the instigation of religious violence.
5). We, Muslims, can and must condemn Islam to the extend that 
it preaches terror. To pretend Islam is a religion of peace and 
love is to delude ourselves. If we continue to do so, we will 
never understand this tragedy. To argue that it was just a few 
Islamic extremists who are guilty rather than Islam itself is to 
argue that it was only a few Germans who were responsable for 
the holocaust, not Nazism itself. (Here goes one of your 
favorite theories, John!)

And then there is a wole list of incredible things written in 
the Cu'ran (with addresses of where to find them), but you will 
have to look that up yourself, it's right there.

5. How many years did The United Kingdom of Israel last? 
For only 98 Years [from 1020 BC to 922 BC]. In 922 it was split 
into two. Israel, the Northern Kingdom lasted 200 years [922BC 
to 722BC]. Judea, the Southern Kingdom lasted 336 years [922BC 
to 586BC]. 

6. Population of Palestine in 1917? 
When the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more 
than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs. There were 
at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine. 

7. Where did the Jews come from? 
More than half of the Jews living in Palestine at that time were 
recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding 
decades in order to escape persecution in Europe. And that less 
than 5% of the population of Palestine were native Palestinian 
Jews. 

8. Who owned the land? 
The Arabs of Palestine at that time owned 97.5% of the land, 
while Jews (native Palestinians and recent immigrants together) 
owned only 2.5% of the land. 

9. Who sold Jews the land? 
During the thirty years of British occupation and rule, the 
Zionists were able to purchase only 3.5% of the land of 
Palestine, in spite of the encouragement of the British 
Government. And that much of this land was transferred to 
Zionist bodies by the British Government directly, and was not 
sold by Arab owners. 

10. What was the land ownership in 1947? 
When British passed the Palestine Problem to the United Nations 
in 1947, Zionists owned no more then 6% of the total land area 
of Palestine. 

11. Why did Palestinians reject UN Partition Plan? 
Besides the above facts, the General Assembly of the United 
Nations recommended that a "Jewish State" be established in 
Palestine. They proposed the Jews should have about 54% of the 
total area of the country while they only owned 6%. 

12. On whose land is Israel established? 
Israel illegally occupied (and still occupies) 80.48% of the 
total land area of Palestinians. 

13. When did Israel occupy the Palestinian land? 
The territorial expansion took place, for the most part, before 
15 May 1948: i.e., before the formal end of the British forces 
from Palestine, before the entry of Arab armies to protect 
Palestinian Arabs, and before the Arab-Israeli war? In 1948, 13 
towns, 419 villages, and 99 tribal lands were depopulated in 
order to declare the State of Israel, occupying 78% of 
Palestine. 85% of Palestinian population "ethnically-cleansed"! 

14. The question of refugees? 
In 1948, the number of refugees was estimated (by the 
Conciliation Committee) to be 804,676. In 2000, out of a total 
(worldwide) Palestinian population of c.8M, some 5M are 
refugees   the largest number of refugees in the World! Many 
still live in overcrowded, squalid camps, not only in occupied 
Israel, but also in neighbouring countries of Jordan, Lebanon, 
and Syria. 

15. Did you know..... 

.....That, the 1947 recommendation of the General Assembly in 
favour of the creation of a "Jewish State" was outside the 
competence of the Assembly under the Charter of the United 
Nations. 

.....That, all attempts by the Arab States and other Asian 
countries to have the Assembly submit the question 
of "constitutionality" of its recommendation to the 
International Court of Justice for an "advisory opinion" by the 
Court were rejected or ignored by the Assembly. 

.....That, when the Assembly began to experience "second 
thoughts" over the matter and convened for its second special 
session in 1948, it failed to reaffirm the 1947 recommendation 
for the partition of Palestine-thus destroying whatever dubious 
legality that recommendation for the establishment of a "Jewish 
State" had had 

.....That, that original 1947 recommendation to create a "Jewish 
State" in Palestine was approved, at the first vote, only by 
European, American and Australian States...for every Asian 
State, and every African State (with the exception of the Union 
of South Africa) voted against it...And that, when the vote was 
cast in plenary session on 29 November 1947, urgent American 
pressures (which a member of the Truman cabinet described 
as "bordering onto scandal") had succeeded in prevailing only 
upon one African country (Liberia), both of which had special 
vulnerability to American pressures, to abandon their declared 
opposition?...And that, in other words, the "Jewish State" was 
planted at the point-of-intersection of Asia and Africa without 
the free approval of any Middle Eastern, Asian or African 
country except that Union of South Africa, itself ruled by an 
alien minority. 

.....That, since the General Armistice Agreements were signed in 
1949, Israel has maintained an aggressive policy of waging 
military attacks across the Armistice Demarcation Lines, 
repeatedly invading the territories of the neighbouring Arab 
States...And that Israel has been duly rebuked, censured, or 
condemned for these military attacks by the Security Council of 
the General Assembly of the United Nations on eleven occasions-
five times by the Security Council and six times by the General 
Assembly. 

.....That, no other country in the world, whether member of the 
United Nations or non-member, has been so frequently condemned 
by the United Nations. 

.....That, no Arab State has ever been condemned by any organ of 
the United Nations for military attacks upon Israel. 

.....That, besides expelling the bulk of the Arab inhabitants of 
Palestine, and besides constantly attacking the neighbouring 
Arab States, Israel has also consistently harassed the United 
Nations observers and other personnel stationed along the 
Armistice Demarcation Lines: It has assassinated the first 
United Nations Mediator and his military aide; it has detained 
some truce observers; it has military occupied and illegally 
searched the Headquarters of United Nations personnel; and it 
has boycotted meetings of the Mixed Armistice Commissions. 

.....That, Israel has additionally imposed a system of apartheid 
upon the Arabs who stayed in their homeland?...More than 90% of 
these Arabs live in "security zones;" they alone live under 
martial law, restricting their freedom to travel from village to 
village or from town to town; their children are denied equal 
opportunities for education; and they are denied decent 
opportunities for work, and the right to receive "equal pay for 
equal work". 

.....That, notwithstanding the foregoing facts, Israel has 
always been, and still is, widely portrayed in the Western press 
as the "bastion of democracy" and the "champion of peace" in the 
Middle East. 


.....That, the Western Powers have persisted in declaring their 
determination to ensure a so-called "arms balance" in the area, 
as between Israel, on the one hand, and the one-hundred million 
inhabitants of the thirteen Arab States, on the other hand?... 
And this unilateral Western doctrine of so-called "arms balance" 
is no more reasonable than the suggestion that, in the Cuba-
U.S.A conflict, there should be "arms balance" as between Cuba 
and the United States... or that the whole Continent of Africa 
should not be allowed to acquire more arms than South Africa... 
or that Mainland China should not be permitted to have more arms 
than Taiwan... or that the military allowed to acquire more arms 
than South Africa... and that only thus can peace be safeguarded 
in the Western Hemisphere, in Africa, in Asia, or in Europe.

.....That Some 34 massacres have been committed against 
Palestinians   as part of the occupying 78% of Palestine. 


.....That, Israel and the Zionists are "in breach" of over 20 
United Nations Resolutions. Thousands of indigenous Palestinians 
have been murdered in their own homeland; millions have been 
ethnically-cleansing by an "illegal occupying power"; Billions 
of US dollars have been used to finance the illegal occupation 
by Zionists of the land of Palestine; the Zionists have been 
supplied with the very latest and sophisticated (including 
nuclear) weaponry; since 1967, the Muslim Holy Site of Al-Aqsa 
has been violated by Zionists on more than 100 occasions; the so-
called "Oslo Peace Agreement" in fact relates to only to the 
original occupants of Gaza and the West Bank   some 1M 
Palestinians! The WAR: "a MILITARY POWER suppressing (illegally) 
a CIVILIAN (UNARMED) POPULATION"! On 20 Oct, 2000 YET ANOTHER 
U.N. CONDEMNATION OF ISRAEL, WHAT PRICE HUMAN RIGHTS. 


15. What is Zionism? 
Zionism is claimed to be political expression of Jewish 
nationalism. Before first World War most Jews were against 
Zionism and today not all Jews are Zionist. Zionism has become a 
form of racism and the UN in 1975 ruled "Zionism is a form of 
racism and radical discrimination," which wants to create 
Palestine [now Israel] into an exclusive Jewish country. 

17. Is Anti Zionism a form of Anti Semitism? 
Zionist propaganda likes to equate Anti-Zionism as Anti-
Semitism. This is to frieghten people to campaign for justice in 
Palestine. Remember opposition to Zionism is not oppostion to a 
people [Jews] but to a political philosophy which claims it is 
impossible for Jews to be integrated into non-Jewish society. 


18. What is Intifada? 
It literally means "shaking off", and in this context it means 
to set free from the Israeli oppression. The first intifada 
started on 8th Dec 1987 when four Palestinian men queuing at a 
checkpoint into Gaza were crushed to death by an Israeli army 
transporter. The second Intifada started on 28th Sept 2000 when 
Sharon with over 2,000 Israeli soldiers desecrated the Al Aqsa 
Mosque and killed 4 people. 

I did'tget to read what you said about me untill now, and I must 
say, I am rather surprised yours and Radio Europe's opinions 
about me are so vicious, I think there is a lot of other rubbish 
on this board to be criticised.
I realized you were a Catholic, and I sure have nothing against 
that, but you ought to have some consideration of people who 
have other ideas, at least I thought that freedom of thought and 
speech was what America was all about (once?). You'll be 
surprised that I never had any problems in the super-catholic 
Italy, even growing up an 17-year old son without ever having 
had to to lie to him. Of course, if he would want to become a 
priest some day, I have nothing against that. As long as he is 
convinced of his ideas. 
Radio Europe was referring to a peculiar event which was in the 
newspapers all over Europe. It cannot be appreciated by anyone 
when things are said in a distorted way just to give them a 
different meaning. I don't think it was done unintentially
This is not your buddy-board, it is everybody's board, whether 
you like it or not.

   

http://www.aqsa.org.uk/books/mosque.html#chap1

Sorry, Alatti, I guess I screwed up, the above message was for 
Missing, I was upset and wrote things town in a hurry, I guess 
that gave me a third enemy.

The following facts were posted: [unverified]

5. How many years did The United Kingdom of Israel last? 
For only 98 Years [from 1020 BC to 922 BC]. In 922 it was split 
into two. Israel, the Northern Kingdom lasted 200 years [922BC 
to 722BC]. Judea, the Southern Kingdom lasted 336 years [922BC 
to 586BC]. 

6. Population of Palestine in 1917? 
When the Palestine Problem was created by Britain in 1917, more 
than 90% of the population of Palestine were Arabs. There were 
at that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine. 
---------------------------------------------------

Ok lets pretend what you did post was accurate.  How about Point 
s 1-4?

What always slays me about this conflict is the Palastinians and 
their supporters lack of memory of history .. they always seem 
to selectively omit/forget parts, that well ..... make them look 
like the mother fucking terrorist they are with little 
validity.  As usual this poster did the same.  As they always 
do, their history of the region starts either with the "League 
of Nations" [btw - not un ] resolution, or in this case 1917 we 
hear of "Palastinians" appearing out of nowhere.  What? ALLAH 
farted and the Palastinians fell to earth in that shithole spot 
on the planet and called it theirs?.  Sorry .. but the region 
has a bit more history favoring the Jews prior to 1917/1947.

Do you care to discuss why the arab population was so high and 
Jews so few in 1917 - but I guess that doesnt matter?  Do you 
remember the Romans?  Do you remember the Ottomans?  Where you 
born yesterday?  Its a mighty large leap from 530+ BC to 1917 - 
but hey - whats a couple thousand years between enemies.

The same thing that happening to the Palastinians happened to 
the Jews at the hands of the Romans and Ottomans - so go fuck 
yourself crybaby and move to the part of the kitty litter box 
you were given and settle down, and get a grip on history Capn 
factoid.  More Muslim half truths.  

That shit may work over there in your PLFP refugee camps and the 
rest of ALLAH's illiterate glass factory to be - but we're not 
buying your bullshit anymore.  

It has been easy for so many people to say mean things to one 
another about the subject at hand, just as easy it was for Osama 
Bin Ladin and his network to terrorize our American brothers and 
sisters, all which are christians,muslims, baptist and catholic, 
etc. Those people who died were from all walks of the world, but 
just the same, they were all Americans. As someone said, Osama 
Bin Ladin has defined and created his own world with muslim 
faith to be his own, not based on the actual true and 
traditional muslim faith. He does use religious beliefs for the 
wrong reasons as well as dictating why he hates the United 
States. But yet, he uses every American made luxury for personal 
use, down to the Talabins wearing our NIKE shoes. I have seen 
many people from the middle east wearing American made clothing 
to even using the internet services which were discovered and 
made by Americans. Only acknowledging that Osama Bin Ladin 
contradicts himself. My point being, if America is so disliked 
by muslims or Bin Ladin himself, then why are they using the 
luxeries from America?
It is my own personal belief that America has enriched the lives 
of people from other countries. Our goverment has allowed many 
people from the middle east to buy our American soil, produce 
buisnesses, etc. But yet, we get kicked in the teeth for it.
It was good enough for Bin Ladin and his supporters to use, live 
and breath in our culture until he didn't like what our 
goverment did or said to muslim countries, so this is excuse for 
terrorism. Terrorism is an act of murder, no matter how you look 
at it. In our country, we provide our society with justice 
through courts for murders, rapist and child molestors, (ie, 
criminals). This is all we expect to do with Bin Ladin when he 
is caught alive. Someone mentioned that muslims are supporting 
the Talibin and Bin ladin just because they are muslims. I can't 
figured out why anyone in Gods Name would support these 
perpitrators who have done nothing but murder their own people, 
as well as terrorizing other countries. No matter how you look 
at it, killing a human life whatever the cause is not 
justifiable. I don't want to see afghanstan people hurt anymore 
than any muslim. But I have reconized that we didn't start this 
battle, and it is the Talibins who do hide behind innocent 
people knowingly they are being attacked by the USA. If they 
would have turned over Bin Ladin when asked, the Americans 
wouldn't be where they are right now. It's one thing to have 
convictions of muslim faith and protect the rights of human 
lives, but to not use the good common sense God gave them to 
avoid any wars from the USA, they should have done the right 
thing by accepting the reward for turning over Bin Ladin. 
Again, Bin Ladins followers are using destruction in our country 
with the deadly Anthrax. This will never stop now. We are in a 
long war, something that all the world will indeed regret no 
matter who started it. I think everyone is missing the point of 
why. I think about the families in afghanastan who have suffered 
so much for so many decades. I pray to our God that he will soon 
find peace for them throughout these hardships. When it is all 
said and done, maybe they will finally see a better life for 
themselves. I pray to God to give us all strength in America to 
end the madness of people like Bin Ladin. For what it's worth, I 
have no intension to bash anyone because of the ethic 
backgrounds, or religious beliefs. If anything, I believe we 
should all come together and work on peace between all nations. 
Because we all are hurting from this terrible ordeal. So instead 
of bagering and bickering at each other of who is bad or good 
because of what Bin Ladin has wanted us all to do all along. We 
should be finding other ways to calm ourselves and get in 
perspective about what we can do to change ourselves, our 
actions to create a better change for all concerned. I believe 
most of those who come into these message boards are looking for 
validation for hate, and some are really seeking validation to 
find success as a whole. No one really wants death around them, 
despair, hunger or pain for people who just want to be living a 
good life. Without goverments and politics, it will take every 
human soul to make the good things happen for each of us. I 
don't care what anyone says,no matter where you are from, what 
you look like, or how you came to be, every man, woman and child 
are my brothes and sisters through Gods eyes. 

My, Spy, did you write that?
Pull it out from the top of your hat?
It's really quite good, I must say
Any more poetry to send our way?

Amen.

H.P.Lovecraft

al-queda dogs behead 3 American civilians 
yesterday---we're now going into Philippines.
Also,did you see the rawa special last night(MSNBC).
Soccer game cancelled for executions-------
Still re-evaluating my stand on genocide.

Yeah, I am just a big kid at heart.  I love this day.  Favorite 
holiday.  Went to the kid's school yesterday for a halloween 
party and did a mean twist to MONSTER MASH.  Anyway, there was a 
rumour that those cocksuckers were gonna do some shit in the 
malls on Halloween.  Hope not.  Fuckers.  I still keep thinking 
about the story about the marine having to teach those fuckers 
to fight and with the diarrahea dripping off of them.  UGH!  
Anyways,  thanks everybody for chipping in for the eats.  Spy, 
you crack me up and I LOVE RADIO EUROPE.  Radio Europe had me 
cracking up with their post to holland/italy.  Goddamn, this 
board can be funny at times.  We all must remember to keep our 
spirits up and continue to laugh and fuck around and not let 
these fuckers break our spirit.  HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!

Good morning, everyone.  There were a few long posts up there 
that I will have to come back and read when I have more time.  
I'm feeling up to going to work today, so I have to get moving.  
It's amazing how much you guys post in one afternoon/evening!  
There is definitely some stuff to check out that a few of you 
posted.  Wish I had more time this morning, because I know by 
the time I get back there will be another hour of reading 
material for me, at least.

P.S.

JUSTICE USA -- I'm glad you posted what you did about being near 
ground zero.  I have no words to convey what is in my heart for 
you and those who are reminded daily of the enormous tragedy we 
experienced.  I don't have as many of those reminders here on 
the left coast, but for you there is no escape - no television 
to turn off or newspapers to put away to shut out the images.  I 
understand you more knowing you are there.  My brother is a fire 
captain in Manhattan Beach (CA) and he had the opportunity to 
fly out for a week after the attacks to help.  Even a week there 
made his heart so sick, he could hardly stand it (and he's a 
very strong person who has witnessed much destruction).  Living 
there is unimaginable.  I wish I had the words.

Justice USA, do you also sometimes post as Justice (without the 
USA) or is that a different person?

Holland/Italy, I'm glad you saw your error.  I was confused at 
first, and then realized you had me mistaken for someone else.  
Missin does not say things lightly, and it would take me a while 
to find her post and re-read it to discover what she said that 
you were referring to.  I have known Missin for a long time (2 
years?  remind me, Missin! Cybertime is so different from 3-D 
time), and I can vouch for her integrity and sincerity.  I'd bet 
my internet connection that she does not bear any ill will 
toward you nor consider you an "enemy."  And neither do I.  No 
hard feelings at all.

(Jeez, I wish I could post pictures on this board!!!)

RELIGON IS OUR PROBLEM IT IS WOR THE WEEK AND BLINDS PEOPLE WITH 
IDEALS ABOUT YAWEH AND ALLAH WHEN IT IS MEN ON EARTH THE 
MANIPULATE IT TO SUIT THERE OWN POWER LUST AND FOR FAME FOR 
EXAMPLE OSAMA BIN LINER. RELIGON IS MORE CORRUPT THAN TONY BLAIR 
AND HIS SPIN DOCTORS RELIGON IS OUR PROBLEM PEOPLE FOLLOW IT 
BLINDLEY ESPECIALLY MUSLIMS RELIGON IS FOR THE WEAK MINDED 
PITTYFULL FOOLS AND UNFORTUNATLEY ISLAM IS THE MAIN PROBLEM IT 
IS TOO FUNDIMENTAL IN ITS BELIFS IT IS LIKE MEDIEVIL VTICAN AT 
THE TIME OF THE INQUISITION IF WEE LET RELIGON GO HATE WILL GO 
WITH IT AND LET SCIENCE LEAD THE WAY NOT FAITH OR U WILL END UP 
DEAD!

Eagle, You can find quake data link right on Drudge's page - 
right hand column towards bottom:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Lots and lots of useful data links.  Much on Drudge's page 
probably goes mostly unnoticed.  All in one place are found 
search engines for UPI AP AFP Rueters and links to hundreds of 
homepages for newspapers from around the world, as well as 
National Op-Ed columnists.

I've seen some of your newbreaks beat-out Drudge.  For instance 
that Florida Terror Fundraising Supporter Professor Al-Arian 
news, of last night.  It's still not on Drudge's site.

Hey Allatti, think you are great!  Yes, it is a DAILY REMINDER.  
I live in one of the five boroughs but am close enough to have 
seen the big black smoke curling towards our area.  I have been 
down to WTC twice and it is like a gigantic church.  Sacred. 
Thanks for your compassion.  I am so CONSUMED with rage at these 
fucking cowards and ANGRY at some of the leaders in our 
government that would pay our own soldiers only 400 or 500 
monthly while they had to train those ragheads that got one 
THOUSAND dollars monthly.  I love American and all of its TRUE 
CITIZENS and other allies throughout the world, but I am royally 
pissed to no end that our leaders do not make AMERICA number one 
priority and to protect us.  I still think that those bastards 
in our jails that were convicted of the 1993 bombings at the WTC 
should have been put to death instead of making the lame excuse 
that it would only make martyrs out of them.  If they had done 
the correct thing in the first place and killed these fuckers, I 
doubt the other more devastating bombing would have occurred.  I 
am going to go outside now, wear my tiger ears and walk around.  
I am MIDDLE AGED doing this shit, but I dont care, because 
Halloween is my favorite time of the year and I will celebrate.  

Thanks a lot, Alatti, I appreciated that very much.
I am on this board for only one reason: to read all the 
informative pieces and sometimes very witty messages. Some of 
you communicate with great imagination and creativity, I like 
that. And of course sometimes I cannot withstand the urge to 
communicate a little thing of my own. 
Maybe if I was on an Italian or Dutch board I would come across 
differently because of the language, obviously I don't have the 
same vocabulary you all have, I dont know since this is the 
first forum I ever joined. Even this kind of thing takes 
practise. 

No verification of validity done, but if even part of this is 
true .......

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/front_1.html

To all the anti-US, anti-US controlled nuke people ..... Do you 
like Chineese as your native language? How about socialism?  Are 
we gonna call up and yell at bejing to not fire off their nukes, 
cuz thats really bad behavior, and not worry becuase you have 3 
way peace sign that zips into a HazMat suit?  

Where's the info on the bastards beheading the american 
civilians? the indo hotel resort incident by that al-Ayubb [sp?] 
fucker?

Scary.


'And they beat their swords into plowshares'

"When will we ever learn?"

That incident happened August 3, 2001.  Story can be found at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,531826,00.ht
ml

Sorry - switched to/from!  Should have been other way around

Wait till you see where this goes...

Question??

I guess it would be considered by some cruel and unusual 
punishment to execute convicted Islamic Terrorists by injecting 
them with pigs blood just prior to/or simultaneous with heart 
stopping drugs.  Whatever...

Islamic terrorists perform Jihad suicide bombings and murders 
ordered by radical Islamic leaders like Usama bin Laden.  These 
leaders or clerics find justification for this Jihad from the 
Quran, which promises heaven for the warrior who gives life for 
Jihad (Holy War).  The argument of misinterpretion was for an 
earlier date gone by.  Control your people Moderate Islam or we 
will.  Period.

We will take away the promise of heaven and end the war. It is 
that simple.  The most difficult problems always have the 
most "back to the basics" solutions.  Here is the solution.  

John (that's me), & Gen. John J. Pershing, and the original 
poster of the below who gave me the idea, bring it to you.

If pigs blood hits the body at the time of death the Muslim soul 
will fail to enter Muslim heaven.  That's what a Muslim believes.

*****

Now read this and I'll continue...


HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
 
It worked once in our history... Once in U.S. history, an 
episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It 
happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. 
Pershing was in command of the garrison.  There had been 
numerous Islamic terrorist
attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perpetrators 
and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to 
posts, execution style.  The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs 
and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and 
fat.  Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they 
would be contaminated with hogs' blood.  This would mean that 
they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist 
martyrs. All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the 
grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies.  The lone 
survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and 
tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a 
stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years. 
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make 
them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.  Like 
Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim 
heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins).  
But instead, they will die with the hated pigs of the devil.

******

My first take on this weeks ago was:  We would upset our Arab 
coalition partners.  Now it being weeks later and the gloves may 
have to come off soon, NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE.

These are the gloves I was talking about having to come off.
 
Today, the coalition is far from priority in my mind.  I care 
about stopping this sick perverted Jihad "BEFORE" they kill more 
of my countrymen, women, and children.

These moderate Islamic States have failed to step up to the 
plate and openly denounce this Jihad.  I'm starting to believe, 
with all my reading on the subject, not only do they not 
denounce the Jihad, they quietly support it.  I believe they 
just want to see where it goes for now.  Let's see what Usama 
can do?  The moderate interpretation of the Quran denounces 
civilian deaths but not military deaths at time of Jihad.  They 
want Jihad.  The Quran calls for Jihad for Mastering the world 
with Islam.

If it comes to World Jihad (World Holy War) = Islam (vs) Western 
Civilization,  We Americans, to protect ourselves and our way of 
life, we WILL bomb them with F@#king Pigs Blood, Guts, Juice, 
Fat, Toes, Feet, Intestines, Stomachs, Heads, etc. etc.  
Followed by...

Keep reading...

Maybe, I'm momentarily NUTS.  Remember, I'm the guy occasionally 
speaking of the death of the innocents and limiting unnecessary 
Afghan deaths as well protecting the lives and liberties of 
American Muslims.  This is war.  And we need to fight it as a 
war, as they fight it, Pig Dirty.

Now, seriously, about the Pigs Blood - In actuality, we 
weaponize the pig.  We aerosol spray, utilizing low altitude 
aircraft (or other similar means), pigs blood across the enemy 
lines (Full continents if necessary).  Followed by tactical 
nuclear weapons (tactical nuclear weapons are very targeted 
nukes with a limited scope of damage, about 1/15th of 
Hiroshima).  We target only the Jihad Warriors with the blood 
and the nukes.  But remember, if need be, we can cover the 
entirety of Islam.

The blood and the nukes are sending 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 
thousand Jihad Warriors straight to muslim hell.  The important 
thing is they (the Jihad warriors) must know it.  We need to 
drop flyers, broadcast via radio, spread rumor, etcetera, just 
prior.  Now don't start crying about the innocents.  It's either 
our innocents or theirs.  I choose theirs.

Accomplished here is:  The frontline warriors are gone.  The 
Muslim Hell threat lumes over the entirety of all Muslim 
nations.  The war is over.

This war simply cannot, will not, and is impossible to loose.  
We have the ultimate weapon - Muslim Hell.   Now lay down your 
arms for Unconditional Surrender, and have a great day.  You are 
free to enjoy western civilization.

Thank you Gen. John J. Pershing for the idea.

John
E Pluribus unum

I saw it on cable news last night(can't remember which 
one)--sorry. Keep eye out; I'm sure we'll hear more.
Saw it before watching the "execution game" hosted by the 
one and only tali-titty-dogs.
These fucks have got to be the sickest basturmators I've 
ever seen. Shit--at least the nazis had had the courage to 
come out and fight.

Latter----working with dangerous chemicals today.

Good one, John!  Let's hear them squeal now!

Nope, I only post as Justice USA and not plain justice.  We are 
having a really gloomy cloudy day today.  I hope that rumor 
about the scumbags blowing up the malls when are kids go trick 
or treating today is just that a rumor.  Those sick bastards.  
The Taliban cocksuckers live to destroy.  They are LUCIFER 
himself walking on the earth.

I'm no historian. I'm just passing on a first hand account of an 
ex-British soldier (he's in his 80's now) who when stationed in 
Palestine took turns to carry out patrols day and night. He 
did'nt look forward to the nights, "gangs" ,his words, of both 
Jewish and Palestian armed militia were happy to take potshots 
at British Troops. For that brief time they were 
united...against US! As a strictly personal opinion , the 
British had no business being there in the first place.. 
granted. But what did these factions do after the British pulled 
out to fill the power vacuum, you guessed it, they went at it 
again. In the end did these people want power instead of 
peace?...I'll leave that question floating.

As a general aside, the day after Sept 11 when I talked to him I 
asked one final question. Remember, this guy had seen it all, 
done it all..he had lead a full life. Why, I asked, do things 
like Sept 11 happen. After all is said and done what these 
things boil down to. He thought for a monemt... then turned to 
me and said "greed...envy...one guy looks over the fence one day 
and decides he wants what the other guy has." I had to agree, 
its a sad endightment really.

P.S To unknown contributor put a name to the words, nobody here 
is going to bite you....well...maybe one or two.
  

This isn't Al-Arian's first time being linked to terrorist 
organizations.  He was suspended once before for two years from 
FSU due to an Islamic Think-Tank that he organized which turned 
out to be a organized extension of the Egyption Jihad at FSU.  
His son, Abdullah, spent the summer a few years ago as an intern 
on Capitol Hill and was thrown out of a White House press 
meeting due to his terrorist associations (the Secret Service 
later apologized!  which probably explains the ass-kissing he 
got from Bush).  The following article from September, 1998 
shows Al-Arian's links to both the Egyptian Jihad, Hamas, 
Hezbollah and even the Israeli Massoud.  Yeah, now there's a guy 
we should let stay in the country!  

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no19/vo14no19_vulnerab
le.htm

I had a sinking feeling the other day (Saturday) as I stood by 
the waterfront looking at the WTC...(west coast)...they're going 
to go after this one next, I thought.

So, John, did you manage to get some of that pig's blood on 
board?

Instead of dogs, call them pigs....aw, we really shouldn't 
insult ANY of the animals...the scum don't deserve to be 
elevated to that position.  Misguided, brainwashed, 
propagandized....fools.

Just feeling a little frustrated today.

I had a dream a couple weeks ago about the food industry being 
sabatoged...in the bread or something, then look what they're 
talking about.  Buy local.  Go to the farmer's market if you 
have one.   Many years ago my dad was offered a job in NYC.  All 
of us kids had nightmares about the place being bombed & they 
were so terrifying my mom refused to move...the food thing was 
the same kind of dream.  So take care & beware.  These guys are 
ruthless.:.(

'tIs past 10 pm here at radio, so for what remains of this 
halloween night we have places to go... socially speaking.

This is where we would have been...

www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2000/468/focus.htm 5 so this is 
why  OBL is in such a hurry)
www.zog.to/3/WTC/WTC-02.htm
www.jamiat.org.za/aalert.html
www.jamiat.org.za/days_ahead.html
www.medea.be/en/index089.html
www.zog.to/3/WTC/Saddam.htm
www.americanfriends.org/kashmir
www.ummah.net/ikhwan/
www.dhimmi.com/press.htm
www.muslimwriters.org/wwwboard/messages/4.html

We will be back for our usual (mutual) late update (that's lat 
afternoon for most of you, past midnight for us).

We do think the posts are better by the day, actually. Thanks!

That's it for this broadcast short-service.

Love from Radio Europe...

Maj. Gen. Don Shepperd:

Strategy: "We hear all this bravado about these pinpoint U.S. 
strikes emboldening the Taliban. As the saying goes, 'You ain't 
seen nothing yet.' So far, these are very small numbers of 
strikes. We're doing less than 100 sorties a day; even in 
Kosovo, we did probably 200 to 300 sorties a day."

"We have the ability to really step it up at any time, 
especially if we can improve our intelligence through better 
coordination with opposition forces and fresh, first-hand 
information from U.S. forces now on the ground. So, over time, 
we will see how the Taliban like U.S. and allied strikes when we 
really increase them and bring pressure on the Taliban." 

What's this post I just read ..???
Talibans slaughtering 3 American soldiers? Someone please fill 
me in on this, as we dont get any of that stuff on TV here.. As 
I said earlier.. politics, but I want to know, coz this hasnt 
even been mentioned on the news.. If I understand this 
correclty.. you are saying that 3 soldiers were slaughtered by 
Taliban..?

Peace..

I have modified my war recommendation as I believe this to be a 
more practical use of the pig.

Question??

I guess it would be considered by some cruel and unusual 
punishment to execute convicted Islamic Terrorists by injecting 
them with pigs blood just prior to/or simultaneous with heart 
stopping drugs.  Whatever...

Islamic terrorists perform Jihad suicide bombings and murders 
ordered by radical Islamic leaders like Usama bin Laden.  These 
leaders or clerics find justification for this Jihad from the 
Quran, which promises heaven for the warrior who gives life for 
Jihad (Holy War).  The argument of misinterpretion was for an 
earlier date gone by.  Control your people Moderate Islam or we 
will.  Period.

We will take away the promise of heaven and end the war. It is 
that simple.  The most difficult problems always have the 
most "back to the basics" solutions.  Here is the solution.  

John (that's me), & Gen. John J. Pershing, and the original 
poster of the below who gave me the idea, bring it to you.

If pigs blood hits the body at the time of death the Muslim soul 
will fail to enter Muslim heaven.  That's what a Muslim believes.

*****

Now read this and I'll continue...


HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
 
It worked once in our history... Once in U.S. history, an 
episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It 
happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. 
Pershing was in command of the garrison.  There had been 
numerous Islamic terrorist
attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perpetrators 
and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to 
posts, execution style.  The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs 
and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and 
fat.  Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they 
would be contaminated with hogs' blood.  This would mean that 
they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist 
martyrs. All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the 
grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies.  The lone 
survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and 
tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a 
stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years. 
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make 
them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.  Like 
Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim 
heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins).  
But instead, they will die with the hated pigs of the devil.

******

My first take on this weeks ago was:  We would upset our Arab 
coalition partners.  Now it being weeks later and the gloves may 
have to come off soon, NOTHING IS OFF THE TABLE.

These are the gloves I was talking about having to come off.
 
Today, the coalition is far from priority in my mind.  I care 
about stopping this sick perverted Jihad "BEFORE" they kill more 
of my countrymen, women, and children.

These moderate Islamic States have failed to step up to the 
plate and openly denounce this Jihad.  I'm starting to believe, 
with all my reading on the subject, not only do they not 
denounce the Jihad, they quietly support it.  I believe they 
just want to see where it goes for now.  Let's see what Usama 
can do?  The moderate interpretation of the Quran denounces 
civilian deaths but not military deaths at time of Jihad.  They 
want Jihad.  The Quran calls for Jihad for Mastering the world 
with Islam.

If it comes to World Jihad (World Holy War) = Islam (vs) Western 
Civilization,  We Americans, to protect ourselves and our way of 
life, we WILL bomb them with Pigs.    Followed by...

Keep reading...

Maybe, I'm momentarily NUTS.  Remember, I'm the guy occasionally 
speaking of the death of the innocents and limiting unnecessary 
Afghan deaths as well protecting the lives and liberties of 
American Muslims.  This is war.  And we need to fight it as a 
war, as they fight it, Pig Dirty.

Now, seriously, about the Pigs - In actuality, we 
weaponize the pig.  We aerosol spray, utilizing low altitude 
aircraft (or other similar means), pigs blood across the enemy 
lines (entire countries if necessary).  Followed by widescale 
conventional bombing or tactical nuclear weapons, if needed, 
Tactical nuclear weapons are very targeted small bombs with a 
limited scope of damage, about 1/15th of Hiroshima.  We target 
only the Jihad Warriors with both the blood and the bombs.  But 
remember, if need be, we can cover the entirety of all the ememy 
within the Islamic States.

The blood and the nukes are sending 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 
thousand Jihad Warriors straight to muslim hell.  The important 
thing is they (the Jihad warriors) must know it.  We need to 
drop flyers, broadcast via radio, spread rumor, etc., just 
prior.  What of the innocents caught amongst the bombs?  Well, 
It's either our innocent men, women and children or theirs.  I 
must choose theirs.

Accomplished here is:  The frontline warriors are gone.  The 
Muslim Hell threat lumes over the entirety of all Muslim 
nations.  The war is over.  As bin Laden said: "Thank Allah."

This war simply cannot and will not be lost.  
We have the ultimate weapon - Muslim Hell.   Now lay down your 
arms and surrender unconditionally.  And have a great day.  All 
Muslim's are now free to enjoy western civilization.

Thank you Gen. John J. Pershing for sparking the idea.

John
E Pluribus unum

i say: too expensive symbolism, john
cropdust'em with antrax
then napalm'em to avoid ecological trouble

'nite, me

Okay :) thank you for the complicated slang lesson. The fact is
that normal dictionaries don't quote such "colorful" slang....
Hmm.... maybe I should buy a quite enormeous one.....
Very interesting your posting about Joseph Farah.

9/11 was a crock of shit .....u sons of camel dick suckin bitches
THAT DID THIS are getten poked in the ass by the devils pitch 
fork and your pussy ass Alah cant do shit cause your whole 
religon is a bunch of horse shit. where going to turn your hell 
hole of a country into a parkinglot when we nuke you fuckin 
bastards then where going to dance on your graves and piss on 
your headstones and if there any surviors will drag em behind a 
tank because the only good raghead is a dead raghead. you fucked 
with bush a true texan and just like his dad hes gonna clean 
house on you towel wearin long bearded motherfuckers.so go ahead 
and celebrate the 9/11 shit you pulled because your ass is ours 
and when you burn from the NUKE remeber you dont fuck with the 
best,,,, we salute our troops ...shoot to kill.
               KILL EM ALL 
HEY SADDAM GET YOU A PEICE TOO, WEVE BEEN WAITIN FOR A CHANCE TO 
KILL YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE AND NOW WE HAVE A REASON AND NOT JUST 
BECAUSE

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E pluribus unum
Out of Many, One

Would someone please tell Bush that it is not his people's 
freedom that's globally hated..
it is his foreign policy..

Would someone please tell the Talibans that the legislated 
Islamic punishment of what happened on Sept the 11th..
is Qasas, meaning Death..

Would someone please tell the Christians that the Quran has 
stipulated that the closest believers to Muslims are Christians..
for they have sensed the truth through their religion..

Would someone please tell the American people that the blood of 
the Afghani civilians is just as red as that of those deceased 
in the WTC.. 
not lighter, nor darker..

Would someone please tell everyone, that two wrongs never make a 
right..

Would someone please tell the FBI, CIA or Bush, that if they are 
serious about capturing Osama Bin Laden, to send me an email to: 
Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com..

Would someone please tell Osama Bin Laden, that he is a disgrace 
to all Muslims, Christians, and Humanity as a whole..

Peace..

Man--kickin' myself in the ass over that one. Musta been a 
archive they were running and I walked right into it. Thanks 
for fielding that one for me Ric. Sorry to ya all. 

Got a chance to listen to Rush today--Pres. of ABC(Arab 
Broadcast Corp.) David Weston seems to think the 
pentagon was a fair target. What the hell is wrong with 
Weston, Jennings and the clan?
Jennings exspected Bush to be booed because he wasn't a 
Yankees fan---what a fucking ass.
They've pissed me off since day one !! Fuckheads "can't" 
wear flag pins for fear of "insulting"
muslims. Man, if Walt was still alive, he'd burn mickey at the 
stake and disneyworld to the ground and take ABC out with 
one of John's pig blood nukes. 

John----filling all my hollow points with your receipe.

Some more disturbing news from Europe meanwhile...

source LE FIGARO:

"Osama Bin Laden was taken to a an American hospital in 
Dubai on the 4th of july this year. 
Apparently he stayed there for 10 days.

During his stay, Bin Laden was visited by a CIA official, who 
later was bragging to his collegues about his meeting. 
The CIA official was called back to Washington the day after 
Bin Laden left Dubai.

Bin Laden was treated at urology by Terry Callaway, 
specialising in kidney functions and infertility in men.  
The phycisian declined to give any coment. 

Sources close to him have confirmed that Bin Laden is 
suffering from at least a serious infection of his kidneys.  
A mobile dialysis unit has been taken to his hide-out a year 
ago". e.o.q.

In the Netherlands, meanwhile, commotion was aroused by  
comments on tv by Iman sheik Khalil el-Moumni, who has 
stated at a mosque in Rotterdam that ,eventually, 
homosexuality  would lead to the extinction of the human 
race... (probably the results of Islamic Studies).

Also in Rotterdam, the deacon of the "Islamic University" 
stated in a speech, last  week, that there is nothing wrong 
with a husband beating his wife from time to time...(Islamic 
Studies?)

Another Iman has stated that he has understanding for the 
death-penalty for this "disease", but "only" if demonstrated 
openly and witnessed by at least four people (those studies, 
again?)...

As you may have noticed, Holland/Italy , Allati2d an Missin', 
we sincerely try to keep our posts as brief as possible... 
That includes quotes.

But, do mind, some of the above quotes were in French and 
Dutch, so maybe Holland/Italy, being continental has more 
finesse dissecting and evaluating them as we do...

We just try to pinpoint, share what we reckon to be objective 
knowledge and encourage others to both think and evaluate 
and give them our findings to chew on a for bit.

We sincerely love and appreciate all your opinions, for they 
are from free individuals, as opposed to the orchestrated 
propaganda puked up by "the other side"  (could this be 
slang?)

We wouldn't classify the above quoted dicks as 
camelfucking ragheads or something, we do not enjoy but 
we want them to speak out and we just wish we could 
somehow "zap" them, if you knows what we means...

And Eagle Eye,  Justice USA, Me, and Everyman, I 
understand...

Goodnight again, from Radio Europe, sorry for the hurting 
and praying for revenge for the big hurting, this was Radio 
Europe.

ashraf, sorry but,

The great wrong was done on sept 11.

There was no answer from Afghanistan, Taleban nor Al 
Qaeda for that matter, to a request for Osama Bin Laden, 
just some stalling and theater by a Taleban "foreign 
minister" in Pakistan.

The people here at this board can tell George Bush 
whatever they like, but the guy has a mandate to be the 
President of the Unites States of America, imagine that...

He was elected in a democratic manner, imagine that...

He had, at the last polls, some 87 percent of support, 
imagine that...

That's a lot of free people, imagine that...

Who would all like to see him pounding even harder, 
immagine that...

You can have millions of e-mails tomorrow morning if you 
please, immagine that...

All you have to do first, is tell Osama to travel outside of 
Muslim domain and ask for some e-mail personally, 
immagine that...   he might even get some "real" letters... 

The other muslim states, that the world has proven, have 
directly or indirectly supported Osama, what are they doing 
now, for their muslim brothers in Afghanistan, imagine that...

Taliban forces are robbing United Nations food from 
relieve-posts and telling Afghans it's poisoned, telling the 
west they're burning food packages, imagine that...

No great wrong is being done in Afghanistan compared to 
the coward terrorists' ways, imagine that...

If there is something like a muslim state, worldwide, 
because that's what this is ultimately about, how come you 
some of them have to suffer so much more than others and 
have to be so very much poorer, and don't even try to 
immagine the amount of hetred it is calling upon itself, 
really...  
Could it be true that they sacrifice humans like they do with 
animals, that it is all calculated, immagine that... (I cannot)

Why haven't we gone in with ground troops?  May we not be able 
to?

What if al Queda possess' nuclear potential?  Unlikely, a 
nuclear bomb is difficult to manufacture.

But, they probably do possess dirty bombs, as has been reported 
by Western intelligence sources?  A "dirty bomb" is a bomb made 
from a combination of radioactive materials (waste by-products 
from nuclear reactors) and conventional weapons.  A close Bin 
Laden associate has been charged by the US for trying to buy a 
cylinder of South African uranium in the Sudan.

A letter alleged to have been written by Bin Laden and seized in 
London about three years ago, called on Muslim nations to 
acquire nuclear weapons. 

"We call for the Muslim brothers to imitate Pakistan as to the 
possession of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons," says 
the letter dated May 1998. 

What if al Quaeda has threatened to use these weapons if we use 
sunstantial ground forces in Afghanistan?  Why would they do 
this?  Because they believe they are going to Muslim Heaven at 
the hands of the Americans for their crimes of 9/11.  They have 
nothing to loose by using them.  They would satisfy their desire 
to die for, and kill the Infidel soldiers, all for Allah. 

Could this be the reason the Taliban told Pakistani citizen 
Taliban supporters not to cross the border to join the Jihad?  
Does the Taliban want the Jihad fighting force in Pakistan to 
continue the Holy War after their departure?

If so, maybe my Pig Blood Bomb solution is the answer?

John
E pluribus unum

Ashraf, If you have information for the FBI simply log onto 
www.fbi.gov and follow the links for "information on terrorists"

You made a similar request weeks ago.  huh?

John

"If the sandal fits--wear it"

The most alarming tendency observable  this day is a 
growing disregard for the established forces of law and 
order------bearded anarchrists are preaching a social 
upheaval which means nothing more or less than a 
reversion to savagery.
The present bloody war arises from the false belief in the 
possibilty of a radically altered social order.
The shouters of hate who incite to crime, are obviously 
possessed  by the notion that the property of the wealthy 
should be shared with them.
The type of people who indulge in such barbarism seem 
never to realize how much they depend on the brains of their 
hated economic masters.

Pro Taliban or innocent civi's too lame, sick and desprived of 
nourishment to flee????  Plenty of energy to scream and shout 
Death to USA.  Hmmmmm.......

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/31/ret.robertson
.otsc/

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CNN: We've been reporting that while you've been in these 
Taliban-controlled areas, the Taliban have been controlling 
where you can go, but not necessarily what you can say while you 
are there. Have you been able to talk with any of the citizens 
in these areas to get an idea of how they feel, not just about 
the bombing campaign, but about the Taliban, or how they feel 
about the situation they are in right now? 

ROBERTSON: Absolutely. In every one of the sites we visit, a 
huge crowd gathers around us. People are ready to put forward 
their ideas and views. I think over the years that I've been 
coming here, what I've noticed on this trip is a degree more 
perhaps hostility, not toward us, but the way people present the 
issues. And we've asked those very questions: 'Do you still 
support the Taliban because you are being bombed because of 
them?' The answer comes back firmly, 'No, we are behind the 
Taliban.' 

So, I see that the peaceful muslims around our nation and 
for that matter, around the world have not come foreward as 
of yet to denounce this "jihad"---therfore, I accuse you of guilt 
by complaisance and so you too must pay. 
I guess you figure to sell your seven-elevens for stairways to 
heaven.
Atlas little doggies--stairways descend as well as ascent 
and the slope has many perils of bannana peels. "Look out 
for the sows blood on the steps" little doggies for tis easier 
to fall than rise.
So come forward; denounce today--or to the hounds of hell; 
you will pay.

10/31/2001 : "Making them pay: How do you sue a terrorist?" 

Making them pay: How do you sue a terrorist? 


As more facts come to light about the terrorist attacks of 
September 11, a wave of suits will be filed against Osama 
bin Laden and any states that may have aided his 
operations, say lawyers for some of the victims. 

But winning court judgments against the terror mastermind 
and his allies will be a difficult task beset by legal and 
diplomatic hurdles. 

"We will file a suit only when the facts come out and we 
know which countries were behind the attacks and how to 
proceed," says James Kreindler, who has been retained by 
26 families of September 11 victims. "It's not easy to do, but 
we can win these suits." 

Only one suit against bin Laden and his backers has been 
filed so far. One World Trade Center widow, identified only 
as "Jane Doe," sued the terrorist leader on October 11 in 
federal court for an unspecified amount of more than $5 
million. 

Prevailing in court and actually collecting compensation are 
two different matters. Payoffs are largely contingent on 
authorities' success in accessing frozen assets linked to 
terrorist organizations and states and their willingness to 
upset diplomatic relations with such actions. 

"What good does a judgment do you when you just get to 
frame it and put it on the wall? The question becomes how 
are you going to collect a judgment against Osama bin 
Laden or whoever else?" says Massachusetts lawyer 
James Donnelly, whose firm has been retained by the 
family of one victim pondering whether to sue bin Laden. 

Suing terrorist states for damages is a recent phenomenon, 
the product of an anti-terrorism bill signed in 1996 by 
President Clinton. Since then, hundreds of millions of 
damages have been awarded against states such as Iran 
by federal judges, though only a few legal actions have 
netted payments. The State Department currently lists six 
other states   Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea and 
Syria   as being linked to terrorists, and therefore suable. 

Last year Congress passed the Victims of Trafficking and 
Violence Protection Act, which officially allows frozen funds 
to be disbursed to those who have won judgments against 
terrorist organizations. 

The family of Alisa Flatlow, a New Jersey girl killed by a 
suicide bomber in Israel in 1995 in an attack coordinated 
from Tehran, collected $26 million in seized Iranian funds. 
Journalist Terry Anderson, who was held in Lebanon for six 
years by the Iranian-backed Hezbollah, reportedly got close 
to $100 million. 

Libya, being sued by a coalition of victims of the Pan Am 103 
bombing represented by Kreindler, unsuccessfully 
challenged the law allowing victims to sue terrorist states 
before a federal appeals court in 1999. The Supreme Court 
rejected a subsequent Libyan appeal without comment. 

The anti-terrorism bill does not cover civil actions against 
individual terrorists or terrorist organizations, but these suits 
could still go forward. In either case, to go from filing a suit 
to collecting a check requires the benevolence of judges, 
deft legal maneuvering and often some lucky diplomatic 
contingencies. 

"The first problem is persuading a federal judge that they 
have enough jurisdiction in matters involving this type of 
defendant. As you might imagine, representatives from 
Sudan, Afghanistan or other states aren't eager to 
cooperate," says Philip Musolino, a Washington, D.C., 
lawyer who represents a group of Kenyan victims of the 
1998 embassy bombing who sued bin Laden, Sudan and 
Afghanistan in 1999. 

Other problems are also possible. A suit against bin Laden 
by four children of a Michigan man killed in a 1995 Riyadh 
truck bombing has stalled because papers couldn't be 
served to the elusive terrorist. "The children just want 
closure on it. To be able to face him in court, even if it's just 
civil court, would be great for them," says lawyer for the four 
children James Elsman. 

Assuming that a court takes a case, proving the complicity of 
certain countries or individuals is difficult until government 
bodies have declassified aspects of their own investigation, 
says Donnelly. 

And if a plaintiff does win a judgment, tracking down the 
assets, especially from a terrorist with elusive assets, can 
prove difficult. 

"If judgment is entered against bin Laden, you can try to 
enforce that judgment in foreign countries where his assets 
are frozen," says Kreindler. "Obviously it's a lot easier to do it 
in a country like England, which is sympathetic and has a 
similar legal system. It will be harder in a place like Saudi 
Arabia, but it certainly can be done." 

But Musolino said that the American government has 
actually worked against his efforts to attain frozen Taliban 
funds for his clients. "They have said that the money should 
be used for other purposes, such as establishing another 
government in Afghanistan," he noted. 

The 52 hostages held by Iran from 1979 to 1981 have come 
across a different diplomatic obstacle. In negotiating their 
release, the U.S. government agreed to bar related civil 
suits against Iran. The victims filed a civil action anyway, and 
now the Justice Department is trying to get their suit thrown 
out of court. 

For Kreindler, however, diplomatic and political concerns 
have been essential in putting pressure on Libya to settle 
with the Pan Am 103 families he represents. Acknowledging 
complicity in the bombing and compensating victims is one 
requirement Libya must meet to get U.N. sanctions lifted, 
according to the lawyer. 

Looming over any potential suits arising from the 
September 11 attacks is also congressional legislation 
passed last month mandating that victims who pursue legal 
action would not be eligible for the compensation package 
government is putting together. 

While many lawyers agree that Congress acted to prevent 
crippling suits against the airline industry, the language of 
the decree does not discriminate between companies and 
terrorist organizations. 

Even so, many victims may be loathe to risk the pitfalls of 
suing terrorists if it impinges on their ability to collect an 
already considerable check from the U.S. Treasury. 

"It's hard to tell," said Donnelly. "A bird in hand may be worth 
two in the bush." 

Source:By Sam Handlin, Court TV 

to the tune, "stairway to heaven"
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Well, I come from Iran
Al-quate money---in hand
and I'm buying--- a seven--eleven

I'll do some funding--from here
selling hot dogs--and beer
and I'm buying--- a seven--eleven

oooooohhhhh--don't it make you wonder

oooooohhhhh--jiiaahahahahad---don't it make you wonder

Well,me mum's--she'an afghan
gonna be excuted-by taliban
and I'm buying--- a seven--eleven

They'll be donuts-in my store
and my ass reserved for whores
and I'm buying--- a seven--eleven

oooooohhhhh--don't it make you wonder

oooooohhhhh--jiiaahahahahad---don't it make you 
wonder----

I missed this board today, strangely enough.  Wish I could read 
posts more thoroughly and say something intelligent, but I'm too 
tired right now.  Some things that Radio Europe and Everyman 
said kinda jumped out at me, but I'll have to save those things 
until tomorrow.

Sleep tight, everyone.  And for those of you where it's already 
tomorrow, have some coffee (or tea) and think of me! :)  As 
always, thanks to everyone who posts here for giving me lots to 
think about.

Holland,
I am sorry if my post offended you.  But, you see, you have 
several misconceptions that have shown up in yours posts.  For 
instance...

Schools are about education, not religion, especially the public 
ones, and since in Europe there is a choice to go to whichever 
school onelikes to go to, at least the public schools have the 
obligation to remain neutral, "the crucifix exclusively being a 
simbol of the catholic church, not even of Christianity." 
I don't think American non-Catholic Christians would appreciate 
crucifixes in their childrens' classrooms.

What I was trying to tell you is that I am NOT Catholic...but, I 
am a Christian...and I wear a crucifix on a chain around my 
neck.  I have less than NO problem with one hanging in my 
daughter's schoolroom.  And, if the people there are allowed to 
choose any school they want, why don't they choose a school that 
is comfortable for them...one allowing Chadras or Crucifixes?  
Here, some non-Catholic Christians...the ones who can afford 
it...send their children to private Catholic schools so that 
they WILL have some access to prayer and religious symbolism, 
rather than gang colors, and obscene T-shirts.

You have said that you are an atheist...therefore, wouldn't you 
admit that you might not have all your facts straight regarding 
religion?  And, don't worry about Allati2d...she's been a good 
friend of mine for a long time.  And, I know that she doesn't 
offend easily.

Close examination of this posting board seems to indicate 
you're in the USA in one of its western states and not the 
UAE as you say.

To Me: 
Your reponse was good, and you were very right in many if not 
all the things you said..

To John:
I am very much aware that Ive made a similar requests weeks ago, 
but the fact is that Ive been to the site.. 0 result..

Peace..

Owe an apology...reacting while the planes were still grounded; 
and it turned into a non-issue...just goes to show how being 
reactionary can be wrong.  

Still going to the farmer's market, though...



I just can't get away from the fact that we DO have to look at 
our past as a nation and how we have contributed to this chain 
of events (even though I know I might get my head bitten off for 
this one, I'm saying it!)  

We cannot look at this from one side.  We have to look at all 
aspects.  This is NOT to say that terrorist actions are 
JUSTIFIED, only that we need to look at how our foreign policy 
DOES play a part.  (takes two to tango)

Thanks Radio for the URL's  following quote is from some of the 
reading.

"The beginning of large-scale sales to Israel began with the 
selling of Hawk missiles by President John F. Kennedy. Today, 
Israel has 320 American-made F-16 fighter planes, more than any 
other nation in the world except for the United States. Israel 
has ordered 100 more, which will be delivered through 2009.
The United States never said much back in the 1980s when Israel 
sold arms to the apartheid regime in South Africa and not much 
now when Israel has bulldozed and impounded Palestinians into 
parched lands no different than Soweto. While 1,300 Israelis 
have been injured in clashes, at least 10 times more 
Palestinians, more than 14,000, have been injured by the more 
potent Israeli police and military. 

Until that imbalance is confronted, America is chasing only 
symptoms, not solutions. No one no longer doubts how dangerous 
Islamist terrorism is. We might not have had to experience it so 
horribly here at home, if we had long ago condemned Israeli 
terrorism, conducted with weapons made here at home."
 

While Palestinian children are criminalized for throwing rocks, 
Israel has not been seriously criticized for using its 50 
American-made Apache helicopters (with orders for 29 more) to 
attack Palestinians with laser-guided missiles. According to 
Newsweek last month, U.S.-made helicopters have been involved in 
nine of 29 assassination attempts by Israel." 
Boston Globe

Great idea, John...but maybe we don't even need the nukes, eh?  
Imagine this...

Suddenly news reports worldwide show hogs being hung up and 
slaughtered...their blood drained into cauldrons.  Then show US 
military painting our bombs with that blood, and dipping bullets 
in that blood.  The report says that if a Muslim terrorist wants 
to die, he can die at our hands...willingly.  But, he must be 
prepared to sacrifice heaven.  TV, Radio, and newspapers.  I 
think you're right, my friend...I think we'd see peace within a 
week...with full surrender of the Taliban.  This HAS to be one 
of the most creative ideas I've seen...Thank You.

This is how I still feel about all of this...in the words of 
John Galt. John, I imagine these will sound familiar to you?

In the book Atlas Shrugged...during John Galt's address to the 
nation, he says. 

"It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only 
against the man who started it's use. No, I do not share his 
evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his 
choice, destruction, the only destruction he had the right to 
choose: his own. He uses force to sieze a value; I use it only 
to destroy destruction. A holdup man seeks to gain wealth by 
killing me; I do not grow richer by killing a holdup man. I seek 
no values by means of evil, nor do I surrender my values to 
evil." 

I very much fear that if we don't resolve this quickly, it will 
degenerate into a World War...with nukes.  I want to believe 
that there is some hope that I can still, 20 years from now, go 
sit in a deer stand and listen to the wind in the pines, and 
hold the hand of the man I love.  I want to believe I'll have a 
chance to rock my grandbabies someday.  I want to see the day 
again when the most irritating thing in my life is the idiot 
driver that gets on the Interstate doing 35mph.

I believe in God, and I believe that when I die I'll be 
somewhere even better than here...but, I love this earth, and my 
country, and I have no wish to leave it yet.  This site is one 
that a friend of mine and Allati2d's helped me create just after 
the attacks...at a time when I felt so sad and helpless, and 
needed to do SOMETHING.  I want to share it with some of 
you...some won't appreciate it, some will.  It's a gift to my 
friends.

Turn on your speakers, and scroll to the bottom for my personal 
message.  http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/cuberswan/wtc.html

I hate feeling helpless...there is nothing I can do at this time 
to help.  I'm spending every minute of everyday trying to enjoy 
the beauty of all the blessings I've received.  I just want this 
craziness to end...soon.

I live in Nottingham in Britain and I just want 2 let U know no 
matter what ur CNN or hwatever is sayin evry person I know is 
behind u 4 bombing them I am only 14 but me and a few of my 
buddys R already planning 2 join the forces when were 18 I'm 
going NAvy all the way and hope 2 captain a type 42 destroyer by 
22 wiv me in command afghanistan better hope that the MOD dusnt 
trust me wiv a nuke or it will be flyin down Bin Ladens fuckin 
hole wiv a picture f jesus on the side and smeared in pigs blood 
and guts so we'll see how much his Allah likes him then the 
donkey fucker
speaking of Allah I do not care about bein P.C fuck all muslims 
theyre the scourge of the world what gud hav they ever bought 2 
the world XCept oil which wehn we fuckin bomb them out and kill 
them ll we can claim 4 ourselves!!!!I hope 2 live 2 the day 
where evry koran is either burnt or the reprocessed as shit 
paper and evry westerner wipes his arse over it Mohammeds fuckin 
grave becomes an artillery range target and Mecca becomes a 
fuckin McDonalds or sumthing fuck the muslim faith 2 hell all 
muslims caught shud B force fed pig guts through a tube 2 
violate them wiv it Bin LAden shud B tortured so much B4 
standing trial I say we put him in his fuckin building and fly a 
no not a plane but a 1000000 killotonne nuke into his fuckin 
turban covered paki head 
if they get pakistans support were fucked tho as the Pakis hav 
nukes but we have MORE!!!!!!U.S.A and U.K $ eva we've won all 
wars weve fought 2 gever in that can only be a gud sign luk waht 
happned 2 the Jap bastards after Pearl!!!!I H8 Japs because they 
caught and torturd my great uncle at 24 he came bak from the Jap 
camp wiv grey hair......go figure those fuckin noodle eatin 
chink bastards!!!!!!!!Bin Laden will never taste nethng again 
xcet the sweet stench and taste of the fumes from a B-52S 
payload of 500 pounders hitting an Afghan ammo dump!! send in 
the ground forces now what hav the Afghans got?????A few 50 year 
old rssina T-50s 60 year old A.K's they dont even hav camoflauge 
clothing wiv he marines going in the next move shd be armoured 
units loads after winter and in winter wiv movement even harder 
the Afghans will hav 2 leave vehicles out as plain targets or 
put them in caves tracked by the S.A.S these vehicles can then 
be used 2 pinpoint Afghan cave hideouts then cruise missiles can 
blast the tunnels wiv ambushe positions set up 2 take the 
remaining out
NEway sum 1 reply to this 2 tell me washt u think all my 
thoughts go out 2 u new yorkrs stay hungry 4 blood!!!

If Israel packed their bags and we moved them to Alaska--
the Arab world would still not be satisfied until their 
complete annihilation(and ours too).They have said as 
much!!!
DON'T BOW TO TERRORISM--YOU'LL JUST LOOSE YOUR 
HEAD !!!

Everyman, the west coast WTC is a pretty place with a nice view, 
but it's nothing compared to the east coast WTC insofar as the 
stature and the economic force that NY's towers represented.  I 
wouldn't worry too much about the left coast just yet.  I lived 
in Long Beach for a few years, and I remember when that place 
was built.  It's still a pain finding parking there!  It's too 
bad a place of beauty and strength has been transformed to a 
place of fear and nervousness.

The memory of NY's towers falling still shocks and numbs my mind 
whenever I think about it.  I hope people continue to remember 
that surreal moment when they see images of a few civilians hurt 
and maimed in Afghanistan by our bombs, and I hope people are a 
little more understanding and tolerant when a Mexican is 
mistaken for a Middle-Easterner or a Middle-Easterner is looked 
upon with guarded suspicion and is delayed from getting on an 
airplane.  I hope, as our U.S. judges hear lawsuits against the 
airlines because someone's poor little feelings were hurt or 
they were inconvenienced for a few hours, they remember the 
horrifying footage as people leapt from the 80th or so floor 
because (I believe) their lungs were burning with boiling jet 
fuel and they could not wait for a slow death to relieve their 
excruciating pain.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there!

Radio Europe, thank you for your insightful remarks and message 
to me.  Your point is fuzzy, though; is your argument that the 
Muslim religion is filled with evil people, basically because 
that is what the Koran and Muslim leaders teach or believe?  
Please clarify, if you can.  I have a little story I want to 
tell you, but I'll wait for my next post, 'cause this one's 
getting kinda long.

this if for all of those pussies out there that protest for "no 
more victims"  Why don't you go to the family of someone who 
died in the world trade center and say "no more victims"  You 
people are just as big a piece a shit as the Taliban regime.  
War is inevitable.  Why not support the war- if you're not 
supporting it, you're hurting it.  Be patriotic.  Support our 
boys in Afghanistan and watch as they seek justice.  It is 
highly offending to see people protesting the war.  There are 
people risking their lives in a foreign land to defend your 
right to protest.  Don't protest against their cause.  

(Ashraf, are your ears burning?)
Spy, didn't you visit the site Uaedesertsafari.com?  You mean to 
tell me you haven't signed up for a motorcycle tour, yet?  You 
could be over in the Middle East right now!

I've seen the site--you don't have to be in uae to retrieve your 
e-mail

Here's my little story, which may be a testament to why I have 
some trouble lumping people and religions together.

I grew up in a very spiritual Lutheran church (next best thing 
to Catholic, I always said!) and was surrounded by charismatic 
people who were full of love and care.  My Sunday School teacher 
for a while was a man named Per (pronounced "Pear") who was 
married with a few young children when I was a teenager.  His 
wife's name was Renee, and she was very sweet also.  I went to a 
Christian College in Irvine, CA, and got pregnant at age 18 (I 
was rebelling against abstinence, I guess!).  I ended up 
marrying the dad and having another baby, which was unfortunate 
because it turns out he was not playing with a full deck and 
liked to smack me around.  In my confusion over marrying someone 
who would dare to hit his wife (and even his son a couple of 
times), I turned to the church for help and guidance.  One of 
the people I talked to was Per, someone I loved and trusted.

Imagine my amazement when Per told me that sometimes men lost 
their tempers, right or wrong, and that he'd even hit his wife 
before!  But it is against God's law to get divorced, so the 
best thing for me to do would be to pray and put up with it and 
stay married and things would work out for the best.  After all, 
the line of authority according to the church is God first, then 
Man, then Woman, and then Children at the bottom of the totem 
pole, so the woman should respect and follow whatever the man 
says.  It turns out that a lot of the people in my church held 
these same beliefs.  I tried for a while, but then decided if I 
stayed I would go crazy, so I took my two babies and moved into 
a battered women's shelter, where I learned that Hey, it's NOT 
okay for a man to do those things to his wife, that a woman is 
NOT the man's property!!

In the years that followed, the church I grew up in changed its 
tune (and some of its leaders) and moved past the 1950s.  Now 
they have counseling for battered women and divorce counseling, 
etc.  I stopped going to that church after my divorce, but my 
mom still goes there and tells me about the changes.  My parents 
were both very supportive of me during this time, regardless of 
what anyone told them they should believe, and I thank God for 
them every day.  I'm glad the church has changed, but I don't 
doubt that there is still quite a mixture in the congregation -- 
and in the United States -- with regard to feelings about men 
being violently dominant in a marriage.  There are still a lot 
of women who are told that they should be happy to have a 
husband who provides for them and the kids, and a little 
smacking around once in a while is just part of the whole 
package.  There are some who strongly believe that the bible 
teaches this, and there are others who strongly believe that God 
gets royally pissed off at any man who has the gall to lay a 
finger in anger on his wife.

My point with this story is that people will believe what they 
want to believe, and extrapolate whatever scripture from 
whatever religion they follow and translate it and twist it to 
justify their own anger or hate or actions.  I'm still ignorant 
of the Koran, but it sure wouldn't surprise me to find this to 
be true across the board in every religion.  As such, I will not 
judge an individual by their religion, but by their actions and 
their lives.

Mr. Spy,    You called it.  Great observation!  I utilized my 
tracing software and traced Ashref's server to an area just 
below and outside East Los Angels, above Commerce, approximately 
where Interstate Highways 5 & 710 intersect.  Actually just 
north of Commerce Casino.


Mr. Ashref, If or when you contacted the FBI, possibly they 
checked you out and found you to be right here in LA, as I did.  
Any information you may provide they may assume useless.  Should 
you possess credible information, possibly approaching them with 
complete honest disclosure would serve to assist the effort.


John
E pluribus unum

Apologies if this has already been asked of you... what does 
E.S.D. stand for?

What is everyone's opinion on the Anthrax situation?  I feel it 
is still cells living here in the USA.  My friend, that lives in 
Porterville, California says that there is a MOSQUE up the hill 
from where she lives and when the 7-11 went down, they were all 
outside of their mosques, these Islamic slobs and cheering and 
setting off fireworks!  She now tells me that whenever one of 
these cocksuckers venture out of the mosque, they get beaten up 
by the locals.  They have called the cops and cried to the cops 
about it and informed the media.  These fuckers have always 
struck me as being very sinister.  Also  (SLAMMING DOWN A CARTON 
OF MARLBORO,  PALL MALL)  and also onion rolls, bagels, cream 
cheese and butter, ten pound bag AMERICAN coffee, sugar, three 
gallons of cream and half and half)  This is my contribution 
today.  Thanks so much Eagle, John, Spy, Alatti, and Radio 
Europe please remember to contribute some eats, coffee, etc.  
Also, John, the art work of the flag is beautiful, JOHN, CAN YOU 
MAKE A DOG SHAPE TOO FROM YOUR COMPUTER?  Let these fuckers come 
on here and not only be called Dogs (the enemies) but also SEE 
DOGS. Do you think you can make a doggie John?  Glad all in 
California is safe from those earth quakes.  OVER AND OUT.

Hey Allatti2d, GREAT post...you know I'm with ya on that one 
especially since I'm one of those "who believes that God gets 
royally pissed when a man dares to lay a finger on his wife."  
I've taught my daughter to never judge anyone by race, creed, 
color, religion, etc etc etc.  As much as it saddens me to admit 
it...I've felt such panic the last few days, that I'd even agree 
to closing our borders to EVERYONE until this is over.  And, it 
makes me ashamed that I would look at Americans from the Middle 
East with suspicion now...but, I don't seem able to help 
myself.  I'm not advocating treating them badly...just watching 
closely.  I'm ashamed of it...but, I'm human...and I'm scared.

All I want to do is escape to the woods (with my complete 
arsenal), and just stay there until it's safe to come out 
again...if it ever is.

Can I join you in the woods?
Will we have to camp out or can we build a nice cozy cabin?

I feel Ashraf is more conserned in finding "our" locations 
rather than osama's. More on this latter----



                      Spy

Hiya Snake-eyes! Of course you can, I already told you I've even 
teach you to shoot...rifle, pistol and shotgun...just come on.  
And, you should know by now...I like to rough it in luxury! 
*grin*

Eagle-Eye, I'd like to introduce you to a very good friend of 
mine, Snake-Eyes.  This is the friend who led me to this board 
out of admiration for you...I wasn't sure at first, but now I 
see why.

Spy, I can't even imagine what it must be like for you up in NY 
now.  I was there the first of August...I remember taking a long 
look at the antenna on top of one of the towers as the dinner 
cruise my company sent us on went past...thinking how BIG it 
was.  And, just a few short weeks later, I'll never forget 
seeing that same antenna hit the ground.  I think that was the 
instant I knew it was real.  How you all go on after that, I'll 
never know.  

Snake Eyes, fellow American - Please to make your aquaintence.  
Missin', Im humbled ... but only for a moment :-)  

You two stay right where the hell you are !!! Thats exactly what 
these POS swine want you to feel, fearful, afraid, want to quit 
and wash it all away in a Calgon bath.  I laugh at their feeble 
attack on this great country - they shot their wad, and it was a 
dribble - they're soon to be kittly litter mounds, but no ones 
gonna scoop up this time.  You have every reason to cast a wary 
eye towards Arabs/Muslims currently - guilt free.  They dont 
feel the least bit guilty.  TFB for them.  If they had spine and 
the men had more sack .... maybe they'd step forth and condemn.  
One or two veiled denouncements aint shit.  Saudi, Syria, Egypt 
now that the atrocity horror is waring off - now lets listen to 
what they are saying and how their leaders are making public 
statements to appease their US hating populations.

Everyman - you know - if you got your facts and news from more 
thean the "Friends of the Al-Aqsua Mosque" website, you might be 
more balanced. When the US starts sitting on its hands again - 
like it did when Hitler was engaged in Genocide on a grand 
scale - so the Palatinians and Arabs can do the same to the Jews 
is the day hell gonna freeze over. [just think WTF would be 
happening if the tables were turned, and Jews had rocks, sure 
there'd be peace, and Arabs/Muslims/Palastinians would be being 
soooo nice to the Jews.] - 

I meant to ask you this before...Where did 22-35 go?  'Splain 
Please?

After missing out on all the festivities last night, my concern  
being Holloween (masks and all), the huge parade making for ripe 
opportunity for these cowards to attack us civilians, I stayed 
in with my arsenal and protective devices at hand.  I will no 
longer allow this false fear hamper my living.

Unlike cowardice "Radical" Muslims, who want to die for Allah, 
Free people live and fight for what they value most - Freedom.  
To put it simply - They fight to die.  We fight to win.

Spy,  I doubt it, I may be wrong, but he appears harmless.  I, 
like a dog, can spot evil.  Now Joe(Florida) & Mark (letter to 
mom) were evil.  Joe's paying a price.

Justice USA,  I'll think about a dog image.  It would be 
somewhat difficult to make.  The American Flag is rather easy to 
recreate, as all great ideas, it's basically simple.

Missin',  Great site, All should visit.

Yes!!!   turn the speakers up 

http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/cuberswan/wtc.html

It takes a while to load, be patient.


John
E pluribus unum

I have been keeping my eyes open lookin for snakes in the 
grass...
Not all of them are venomous or dangerous...... but there are an 
awful lot of them that are...
Thats why I have been reading til my eyeballs feel like they are 
gonna fall out, I am trying to learn as much as I can so that I 
can recognize which ones to look out for!

Thank you to all who have contributed the various links, and who 
have brought to my attention so much valuable information, (by 
information I mean, FACTS.....) 

a gentle note to any one living here in this GREAT NATION 
of*AMERICA*
who does not believe in the American way of life and or our 
freedoms,our lifestyles and our foriegn policies..... please 
take a boat or a plane or swim the hell out of here....
please go back to whatever the hell YOUR IDEA of a lifestyle is, 
please do not subject your families to our schools, partake in 
our health care programs,or eat the food provided to you by my 
tax dollars.

Maybe the freeways wouldnt be so congested anymore....

You're right, Eagle...that IS what they want.  Ever since 
Snake_Eyes and I watched that 2nd plane and the crumbling of the 
towers live...I've gone from one emotion to another...the whole 
gamut.  Some days I'm just as pissed as you are, other days I 
just want to cry.  The day we dropped the first bombs...I hooked 
up the boat, grabbed my daughter, and took her fishing.  There 
are three kinds of things in life, I figure.  Things we can 
control, things we have limited control of, and things we can't 
control at all.  There's an awful lot of the 3rd just 
now...getting away from hearing about it is all I can do to save 
my sanity.  And, when I'm stuck here at the house...I can't do 
anything but read and study...hoping that someday this 
information may serve some useful purpose.

Somebody asked earlier what we think about the anthrax 
stuff...I've been avoiding the subject.  I get so pissed at the 
purposeful misinformation that the media throws out to keep us 
all from getting too scared...Damn It! I want the truth!  I'll 
deal with it just fine as long as I KNOW what's happening.  
Separate news reports over the past two weeks...anthrax found on 
a seat in an aircraft.  That one got hushed up quick.  Duh, 
there were more terrorists on more planes that didn't get to die 
for Allah because the planes got grounded so fast.  And, I 
believe all the terrorists were carrying anthrax.  The explosion 
killed most of the spores, but not all I'm afraid...as evidenced 
by the NYC nurse who died of it this week.  I don't think I'd 
have to be especially paranoid to figure out how she got it, why 
are they having such a hard time?

Arggghhh, gotta go! Y'all try to have a decent weekend.  Me, I'm 
going to the woods.

Missin' - 22-35 - that'd be the years of my life that wisked by 
like a hurricane [business/children have a lot to do with that]. 
BTW - keep the throttle WFO [you are the offroadin one yes?]

Snake Eyes  what I wouldnt give to roll the 405 everyday as if 
it were easter sunday at 8 a.m. [of course with my excursion 
taking up two lanes at a time].  My thoughts exactly about 
coming to AMERICA the beautiful, raping her - depriving the hard 
working, tax dollar contributing parents of this nation from 
utilizing the resources they earned and worked their asses off 
for, for our kids education and well being - not for these 
jihidin' MOFO's to use aginst us [ie - education, business 
loans, freakin handouts]  Game Over on that shit "W" - everyone 
wise the hell up.

John, did you read that CNN reporters remarks - the one that got 
a Taliban escort, who got to interview the civi's parading their 
dead and wounded in front of the camera and reporters?  Thought 
it interesting that he gathered them to be "Towel e go BAM" 
supporters.

Thought you'd find this interesting.
AP  v5151 ri 3exec Attacks-Bin Laden,0452            11-01  2:56p

Statement in name of bin Laden calls on Pakistanis to `make Islam
victorious'
By MARIAM FAM
Associated Press Writer
     CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - A statement attributed to Osama bin 
Laden criticizes the government of Muslim Pakistan for 
standing "under the banner of the cross" and calls on Pakistanis 
to "make Islam victorious." Excerpts from the signed statement 
were broadcast Thursday on the Qatari-based Al-Jazeera satellite 
channel, which held the document up to the camera and said it 
was received by fax in Doha, Qatar. An employee of the station 
read the full text to The Associated Press in Cairo over the 
phone.
     There was no way to independently verify the authenticity 
of the statement. Ali al-Kaabi, al-Jazeera's news gathering 
coordinator, told AP that "we have no doubts" about the 
statement. He said al-Jazeera recognized bin Laden's signature 
and that the content was in line with previous pronouncements 
from him.
     Addressing "civilian and military Pakistanis," the statement
in the name of bin Laden appears to call for the overthrow of
Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, whose government
supports the U.S. campaign against the ruling Taliban militia in
Afghanistan.
     The bin Laden statement depicts the war as a battle between
religions - something President Bush has said it is not.
     "The world has been divided into two camps: one under the
banner of the cross, as the head of infidels, Bush, has said, and
one under the banner of Islam," the bin Laden statement says.
     "The Pakistani government has stood under the banner of the
cross," the statement continues. "Adherents to Islam, this is
your day to make Islam victorious."
     Bin Laden, a Saudi exile, is the No. 1 suspect in the Sept. 
11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. The Taliban have
refused to hand him over to the United States.
     Bin Laden's organization, al-Qaida, has previously released
three video statements. Bin Laden appeared in the first, which 
was released Oct. 7 but seemed to have been made before then.
     The last communication came Oct. 13, a week after the U.S.
bombing began, when al-Qaida spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith said 
on a video that Americans and Britons should leave Afghanistan.
     The statement broadcast Thursday said believers should not 
rest before "they bring victory to truth and its people, and 
defeat falsehood and its people, with God's permission. Your 
stance against evil gives us heart."
     "The heat of the crusade against Islam has intensified, its
ardor has increased and the killing has multiplied against the
followers of (Islam's Prophet) Muhammad ... in Afghanistan," the
statement said.
     

Okay thank you, I'll have a look to that site.

John, Thanks! I'm glad you liked the site. *smile*

Snake-Eyes, I'm glad to see you venting...Get it all out, 
Friend! These folks won't mind.

Eagle-Eye, yep we'll have 4 four-wheelers running wide-open most 
of the weekend, I'd imagine.  2-13 yr olds, 1-12 yr old, and 2 
44yr-olds will be having a LARGE time!  I know what you mean 
about the ones that get away too quick...seems like it took 
forever to get to 21, and then the next day I woke up I was 40.  
Gotta cherish every moment, my friend...every single one.

BTW-I just heard them say on the radio that the war will NOT 
stop for Ramadan! Halleluiah!  I don't want them to stop until 
the whole rat's nest of the Taliban and bin Laden are dust.

There's so much being written on this board, I must have skipped 
by some posts just trying to catch up! Apologies for 
backtracking - I'll send myself to the back of the class! You 
mentioned in a post dated Oct 29 regarding our leader, of how 
people in the U.K react to him and possibly how the U.K media 
treat their senior politicians. Bear with me if you can. I may 
be wrong, but I guess a number of factors are involved, firstly,
(and this is true everywhere no doubt) who owns the newspapers 
and broadcasting media, whose opinions, if only in a small way 
hold sway with senior editors would ,I'd imagine, have some 
effect. Most papers in the current political climate in Britain 
are to the left of centre. Secondly, the British Psyche is an 
important factor, and the media are not excluded from this, 
after all their individuals too. The American nation has the 
drive to succeed (you don't need me to tell you that!), the 
pionering spirit helped by the fact (and correct me if I'm 
wrong) that there's no financial social safety net. I hope I'm 
right in saying people on the whole strive to excel and gain 
success and MOST importantly in general are applauded in their 
success by others, rather than being viewed envyously. THAT's 
the difference. In Britain all too often successful/charismatic 
people are scrutinised and cut down to 'put them in their 
place'. Lastly, possibly to be more moderate in our views visa-
ve our Continental European friends, who due to geo-politics are 
THAT much CLOSER physically to the middle east which for some 
time now has been a by-word for instability.

The above 3 factors combined (in my humble view!) mean that 
viewed from the 'outside', to your puzzlement I guess 
our 'strong' leader is given a distinct lack of support in a 
time when he deserves that support most, by our media that is. 
We have our domestic issues that need to be addressed. 
(Churchill lost his premiership after WWII - on domestic issues, 
a fact I'm sure Mr.Blair is all too aware of!)

As of today Tony Blair has just completed a whistle-stop tour 
(or more appropriately a rather queasy roller coaster ride) 
through this troubled region. I have to give him credit, he's a 
conviction politician, a senior world statesman driven solely by 
his morals 'it seems', whom the most senior European leaders 
have grown to admire.(Any other European contibutors please 
again correct me I'm wrong!) As you may be aware Allatt2d, 
Mr.Blair's is on his way back to the U.S again. Normally, nobody 
he knows which country he's going to next, until he's there. In 
this case it's known he's going to the U.S at least one week in 
advance!, curious.

Your President, I have to say gave a wonderful speech in 
Congress appreciated by all U.S Patriots I'm sure. I refer of 
course to the speech in the presense of Mr.Blair whom your 
President acknowledged before one and all and to whom Mr.Blair 
reciprocated with a look of appropriate modesty of course!
If you have any reflections on how YOUR leader's stature is 
viewed by you and your compatriots it would be of great interest 
to me and I'm sure other Brits, Allatti2d. I hope this post has 
been of some interest to you.     

My dear Snake Eyes, you are awesome.  The world is a safer and 
better place with people like you (and Missin!) in it.  You know 
I'll go out for a weekend with you guys whenever... Missin & I 
can catch some fish and we can build a fire and sing songs and 
roast marshmellows and it will be a blast.  I've been hankerin 
for a camping trip lately, especially with the cooler weather 
we've been having here in southern CA.

It's important to be aware, but not afraid.  Be alert, but 
without panic.  Be angry, but not abusive.  I don't fear flying 
(well, not because of this, but that's a different story!) or 
driving or going to the mall or anything like that.  I keep my 
eyes open, but I'm not constantly looking over my shoulder.  
This is a big country, and most of us will stand tall and strong 
whenever we need to and take care of business.

Love you guys.

I address this posting to you EagleEye, but aim this in general 
to the 'veterans' on this site also. I chose U.K Citizen for 
rather obvious reasons, to highlight where I'm from - naturally. 
I HASTEN to say I'm not the only U.K citizen in the U.K!, and so 
speak ONLY on behalf of myself although I hope to reflect the 
general feeling of my country at any given point in time, but I 
am simply one individual. Just wanted to say if any of my 
postings offend in any way, just because I sign in as 
U.K.Citizen DON'T hesistate (out of curtiousy) to let me know 
about it. I can take a hint sublte or otherwise. The LAST thing 
I want is seem like I'm 'gatecrashing' or interfering in the 
integrety of this board. This posting may even puzzle you, but I 
just wanted to be SURE that's all. Should you reply, is your 
philosophy 'the more the merrier' or 'strictly in-house' 
regarding this site.    

Eagle, You asked:  "Anyone got any thoughts on the Stayin Behind 
Afghani Civilians?"

These "stayin behind" Afghani civilians stay for many reasons.  
I'll list just a few that immediately come to mind.

1 - They are being fed with US/United Nations food stolen by the 
Taliban.
 
2 - Some (minority percentage) are to sick to move.

3 - The Taliban has told them there is nowhere to go.  The 
borders are closed.  That's mostly correct.  Until the borders 
are opened (soon they will be, into both Iran and Pakistan), 
they will stay in the cities.  They are mostly safe in the 
cities as we are bombing the front lines ouside the cities only.

4 - Taliban members are not going to permit their slave wives to 
leave.  Each Taliban member commands slave ownership over (up 
to) 4 wives, and all their progeny.  The math is simple.  If 
there are 20,000 Taliban, at 4 wives each, that equals 80,000 
wives.  These 80,000 wives (may have) given birth to 4 children 
each.  That's 320,000 children.  This equals 400,000 wives and 
children.  Plus the 20,000 Taliban soldiers.  I've heard reports 
that Taliban soldiers numbers are 100,000.  Which is not much 
considering the Taliban ruled (or still rules) a country of 7 
million Afghan's.  100,000 Taliban soldiers can easily account 
for 1.6 million women and children.  

All of a sudden this problem of destroying the Taliban (upon 
running the math) appears so much more difficult then I 
previously thought.

Now I understand why we "allowed" the Taliban to steal the food 
shipment just before the onset of the bombing on the 7th of 
October.  We, by NGO's, delivered the food right to the Taliban 
to steal.  Most probably, the NGO's caravaned the 100 loaded 
down donkeys right to the Taliban line outside Kabul and then 
ran.  The food was needed NOT to feed the Taliban, but for those 
they control by slavery.  I failed to understand why, now I do.

More to follow...


John
E pluribus unum

A cluster bomb scatters hundreds of smaller "bomblets" over a 
wide area. The bomblets also happen to be the same color yellow 
as the humanitarian rations that U.S. planes are dropping to 
Afghan civilians. Aid organizations fear that civilian 
casualties will result from people mistakenly picking up an 
unexploded cluster bomblet. 

The color of future food packets will be changed to blue, Myers 
said, adding it was "unfortunate" that the color was the same. 
He said leaflets are being dropped that explain to Afghan 
civilians the difference between the two, spelling out which 
ones to pick up and which ones to avoid. 

.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001370005-
2001380262,00.html




'I dream only of having my hand again'


The Datsun drove into the centre of the stadium. Karimullah 
recalls thousands of faces staring at him in silence from the 
stands, and between 10 and 14 mullahs on chairs in a line in the 
middle of the field. He was pulled from the truck and told to 
lie spreadeagled on the grass. 

"The mullahs didn't even ask my name or speak to the crowd. 
Seven doctors approached me. They wore grey uniforms, surgical 
masks and gloves. I could see one was crying. They injected me. 
After five minutes my body was numb though I was still 
conscious. Then they put clamps on my hand and foot and began to 
cut them off with special saws. There was no pain but I could 
see what they were doing." 

I asked him if he stared at the sky. He told me he was 
transfixed by the sight of his foot being removed. 

"There was a sigh and murmur from the crowd when they finished. 
It had taken about five minutes. Taleban guards threw me into 
the back of the pick-up. One was crying too. Nothing was said. 
Even now I am unaware why I was chosen for amputation". 

 Someone told me a rich Pashtun had committed a crime and paid 
the corrupt mullahs to use a prisoner of war for public 
amputation instead of himself. I don t know if it s true. But I 
hate them. 

OK, Misssin, thanks for explaining yourself, but I was brought 
up and christened as a Protestant and live in a Catholic 
country, so why do you think I neccesarily don't have all my 
facts straight about religion? Where I come from, crucifixes 
(not crosses) were out, personally I thought that a little 
exagerated. But I'm not an atheist for being superficial, I just 
have given things a lot of thought and I finally got myself so 
far that now I'm "on the outside looking in". This would have no 
importance if it did'nt have a link with what is happening in 
the world right now. My personal view is that if Muslems all 
over aren't going to question themselves about Islam and the 
Cu'ran, this sure as hell (?) is going to become a war between 
the occident and the Islam. In case this cannot be avoided, 
turning it into a Crusade against Islam would be a terrible 
mistake. What you say about schools in general is EXACTLY what I 
mean, I was just pin-pointing out things. 
I must say, I am growing fond off all all of you, people really 
are speaking their hearts out, which is a good experience.
I know about what is going on with the Imam of Rotterdam, Radio 
Europe, the thing about the gays happened way before 911, and 
really shook the Dutch up, most people now want him out of the 
country now if he doesn't change his ideas, but Holland is stuck 
with a lot of wrong policies made by the various governments in 
the last three decades. A lot of other crazy things are still 
going on there, like they give thousands of guilders (dollars) 
to illegal immigrants when they return to their countries. They 
try to come back and in different ways and do the whole thing 
all over again. What you said about schools in Holland is also 
true unfortunately (exept for what you added about me!). But as 
I said before, I'll leave giving useful information up to others 
who are better at that than I am.
The story about the pig-blood is quite fascinating, John, can 
you imagine what would happen in the world if pig-blood-cells 
were put indistinctivly in all western made bullets? Might give 
Stephen King a great story! You sure did change your mind 
though, after the first time you wrote it down.